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to think 'There's nothing of you now' is really not a compliment?

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JohnKettleyIsAWeatherman · 20/01/2022 07:52

Friend lost a lot of weight. Noticed on her FB someone had commented 'You look amazing, there's nothing of you now!' under a recent pic.

Now, I realise I'm likely to get told I'm looking too deeply into this and that the person was probably just trying to pay my friend a compliment, which I would agree with, BUT... the language people sometimes use around weight loss (particularly weight loss by women) disturbs me. Don't get me wrong, I totally accept the need for people to not be overweight from a health perspective. But from an aesthetic standpoint... ugh. Saying 'there's nothing of you now', to me, implies that the person is somehow praiseworthy for diminishing themselves, for taking up less space. For being 'less'. And the fact that we as a society think it's flattering to make this kind of observation depresses me somewhat... it just feels really reductive and anti-feminist to me.

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Moonlightdust · 20/01/2022 13:06

@Enjoyingwinter

I find people are really weird about weight generally, and especially towards people who have successfully lost weight.
Oh absolutely. I lost quite a lot of weight several years back and all of a sudden everyone had to comment (even parents on the school run I’d never spoken to before). It actually made me feel self conscious after a while that so many had to have an opinion - I got the comments “Don’t loose any more” and “You’re tiny”, “There’s nothing left of you” etc despite the fact I was eating healthily and not starving myself! After a while I ended up putting a lot of the weight back on and some of that was because a part of me felt like I wasn’t ‘allowed to be slim’ and to stop all the attention. Sad really as now I wish I just had of blocked people’s opinions out!
ReadySteadyTwins · 20/01/2022 13:09

@RampantIvy

Goodness, there are some professionally offended posters on this thread Hmm

Context is everything here.

Yup
WineThenMisletoe · 20/01/2022 13:16

My DH lost weight (2st) which after a lot of years put him back to his '20s' weight. He felt great with the weight off and he has continued to maintain it. We visited our friends and the guy would not leave it alone about how thin my DH was. To the point where he started asking if he had cancer as he was too thin. He absolutely was not its just that everyone always saw him with the extra weight. My DH said very little then on the way home he explained how it made him feel, which of course was pretty bad.

It seems that weight loss is not always seen as the success to others as it is to the person losing it.

Mankyfruitbowl · 20/01/2022 13:49

I agree it's a weird phrase, and I've usually heard it used negatively. In this context though it sounds like a genuine (if clumsy) compliment.

I agree with you that women shouldn't be afraid to "take up space", but I think of that more in a metaphorical sense. I know some very confident, assertive women who definitely take up space and make themselves visible, even though their bodies may be petite - through their voice, their body language, their mannerisms.

JohnKettleyIsAWeatherMan · 21/01/2022 15:17

Interesting to see such an even split of views. I’ve been trying to figure out why the responses saying it’s a compliment are bothering me a bit, and I’ve realised it’s because some people don’t seem to want to interrogate the idea that it’s flattering to be complimented on weight loss at all. It seems to have been unthinkingly internalised as something women, in particular, are automatically supposed to be pleased to be complimented on, which depresses me.

It's just so reductive (no pun intended) and, yes, somewhat sexist imo. Health considerations aside, I do feel women are expected to buy into all the slimming propaganda simply because they are women. An ex once informed me that before meeting me (at a time when I was happy with my weight and not dieting) he’d ‘never met a woman before who wasn’t on some sort of diet’, and it was said with more than a tinge of disapproval. People with that mindset do exist, and the really depressing thing is that they’re not all male.

I'm really not trying to parrot Fat Is A Feminist Issue here, but I do sometimes get the feeling society hasn't evolved much from the days when that book was written. I’ve been various sizes in my time and I can honestly say I don’t enjoy receiving ‘compliments’ when I’ve lost weight. I make the right noises so as not to upset people, and I appreciate that they’re trying to make me feel good, but inwardly, no I don’t particularly enjoy the feeling that I’m supposed to jump up and down and clap my hands together because someone’s noticed my body size has changed. Compliments on, say, a professional or creative achievement? Bring it on. But being expected to be thrilled when someone coos, 'Have you lost wei-eight?' in a silly mawkish voice (@crosbystillsandmash I know exactly what you mean about the sing-song voice!) with an encouraging little smile as if I’m an eight-year-old who's just won a colouring competition? Not so much. And I don’t comment on other people’s weight loss either, unless they ask for my opinion. TBH, I don’t feel it's appropriate - as some posters have pointed out, people often bulldoze past the fact that the weight loss might be illness-related - particularly if it's a sizeable loss - and comments might cause upset.

Each to their own, but as far as I’m concerned it’s not appropriate to comment on someone else’s body at all unless asked to, simple as that. And I don’t believe we do ourselves any favours as women when we buy into the idea that it’s flattering when people make unsolicited comments about our bodies. People don’t (on the whole) do it to men, and for me that’s significant.

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RampantIvy · 21/01/2022 20:05

So, it's OK to congratulate a man for losing weight, but not a woman then @JohnKettleyIsAWeatherMan?

SisterAgatha · 21/01/2022 20:07

I’ve lost 5 stone through health anxiety, not to “look better”. People comment all the time about my body, before and after. They make the assumption I wanted to wear nice clothes and have people tell me how pretty I am etc. It’s unnerving and makes me feel like I’m just a body, when I am exactly the same in every way. YANBU.

Frankola · 21/01/2022 20:09

I think its a backhanded compliment driven by jealousy. I'd love it if someone said it to me Grin

RampantIvy · 21/01/2022 20:35

Blimy, why can't people accept a compliment at face value instead of overthinking it and assuming that everyone is a body shaming bitch?

mjf981 · 21/01/2022 20:46

I was thin growing up and all my relatives called me ‘Bones.’ I hated it.

Bloodybridget · 21/01/2022 20:47

I don't think it's necessarily a rude thing to say - I could imagine saying it to someone who was moaning about being overweight, but wasn't, like "Nonsense, there's nothing of you!" Agree it's a bit odd to add it to telling someone they look amazing.

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/01/2022 20:51

My next door neighbour said this to me a couple of years ago (pre-lockdown 🤣) and I was a bit miffed, too.

Because, actually, there was a great deal to me, just not my girth.

Ignore.

SisterAgatha · 21/01/2022 20:59

I don’t know why people think uninvited comments on your body should be accepted as compliments and be grateful for them.

RampantIvy · 21/01/2022 21:05

@SisterAgatha

I don’t know why people think uninvited comments on your body should be accepted as compliments and be grateful for them.
So if someone says " have you lost weight? You look great" you would take that as an insult?
Luredbyapomegranate · 21/01/2022 21:13

It’s a weird and sexist phrase, when you think about it. But the person who said it probably didn’t.

JohnKettleyIsAWeatherMan · 21/01/2022 21:38

So, it's OK to congratulate a man for losing weight, but not a woman then @JohnKettleyIsAWeatherMan?

I said quite clearly that I didn't think it was OK to make unsolicited comments on other people's bodies. By which I meant men's as well as women's.

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RampantIvy · 21/01/2022 21:44

So, telling someone they look great isn't allowed either?

SisterAgatha · 21/01/2022 21:46

RampantIvy

You look great. Intrusive but not offensive.
Have you lost weight? Intrusive, no ones business, a comment on my body, eating habits, potentially lifestyle, potentially health, maybe I have an illness I don’t want to discuss, anxiety (which I did have and is why I lost weight) and an unnecessary addition to a compliment that invalidates the previous sentence and in fact insinuates that looking great must coincide with losing weight.

I lost 5 stone. But I already looked great before.

phishy · 21/01/2022 21:50

You need to look at the context.

They preceded it with ‘you look amazing’, so it’s not a back handed compliment, it’s a compliment and a turn of phrase. Not something I would say but each to their own.

RampantIvy · 21/01/2022 21:53

Telling someone they look great is intrusive? Confused

AnnieSnap · 21/01/2022 22:17

I agree. I don’t think you are being unreasonable at all!

SisterAgatha · 21/01/2022 22:21

Yeah there’s no real need to comment on someone else’s appearance. You don’t know if the person wants to hear it, you don’t know how the person feels about it, they might be shy, embarrassed, off put and unsure how to respond.

You might mean it as a compliment but you cannot dictate how other people feel about the words you say.

User48751490 · 21/01/2022 22:26

I dream of someone one day trotting out that line...

JohnKettleyIsAWeatherMan · 21/01/2022 22:32

If someone pairs a comment about weight loss with something like 'you look great', OK the 'you look great' bit is complimentary on the surface, but it also says that the person didn't look as good when they were larger. Bit like when you get a new hairdo and someone says 'Oh, it looks much better now'. Personally I do think a 'compliment' paired with an implied criticism of someone's prior appearance is pretty pointless - and, yes, intrusive.

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MiddleNameJane · 23/01/2022 18:18

I agree with you op but the thing is, this idea is so ingrained that it's good to lose weight and be slim that it can seem rude NOT to comment on it. I remember bumping into an old friend who'd lost weight and carefully saying something like "You look great! I love your dress". There was an awkward silence and she said, meaningfully, "um, yes thanks, it's a size ten..." She clearly wanted /expected me to comment on her weight loss. It feels like a bit of a minefield.