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AIBU to propose this idea for replacing the BBC Licence Fee?

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BuanoKubiamVej · 19/01/2022 10:10

The BBC is brilliant, and those who are against it are either swallowing the propoganda of media outlets who know they could make more money if the BBC is overthrown, or simply don't realise the huge global benefits that the BBC creates. But that's not my AIBU so please don't vote on the basis of whether or not you believe this.

However, it's true that the current licence fee is effectively a regressive tax - it is a significant amount of money to the poorest households, but is a negligible amount for the comfortably off.

A subscription or opt-in version isn't the solution, because the universal accessibility of BBC services needs to be maintained. The BBC does a huge amount more than just make TV programmes and even those who never watch TV are getting a lot of benefit from it.

So here's my idea for creating a progressive replacement for the TV licence - tie it in to the Council Tax, putting it on the same bill and collecting it at the same time.

There can then be bands for TV licence payments according to the Council Tax band of each residence. Families on a low income occupying a high-band property would get relief under the same structure as normal council tax relief, meaning that broadly those of us with larger and more comfortable homes and lifestyles pay more, and those who are on the lowest incomes pay the least.

The table in the attached image shows in the 4th column the revenue that would be generated if 100% of properties liable for council tax paid the new progressive TV licence fee in the 3rd column. The total raised this way would be significantly more than the amount that is currently generated by the TV licence fee - there would be plenty of flex to (a) use some of the exess income for the reasonable costs of administering the new scheme and (b) have a system for exempting some properties, according to whatever criteria are necessary to ensure that all situations where it would be unfair for the TV Fee.to be applied could be given a zero rate.

Data for the number of properties in each Council Tax band got from here: on gov.uk

Please vote - YANBU = "This is a good idea" (you can vote YANBU if you think it's a good idea but would never be implemented because of the machinations of those who just want the BBC dead - that doesn't stop it from being a good idea)

YABU = "This is seriously flawed and I will post below as to why."

NB this is specifically about how to address the regressive nature of current BBC funding whereby the poor and the rich pay the same. If your gripe is with the existence of the BBC at all, please use a different thread for that.

AIBU to propose this idea for replacing the BBC Licence Fee?
OP posts:
Dazedandconfused28 · 20/01/2022 10:08

@girlmom21

Why can't the BBC just allow adverts like ITV do and pay for it that way?
Because then you lose editorial independence, you become beholden to shareholders. You would lose local radio & education output - ceebeebies would become Nickolodeon & all value lost.
Dazedandconfused28 · 20/01/2022 10:10

@FreedomFaith

Nope. I'd have to pay more than I would now, although I got rid of it as I don't watch live TV or BBC. I won't until they get rid of the fee. It's a stupid old concept that needs to go. Plus they just showed how money hungry they are when they stopped giving it for free to the elderly. They don't deserve my money and never will, especially with the shite they put on TV.
This was actually the result of a government cut
Dazedandconfused28 · 20/01/2022 10:17

I totally appreciate if people don't support the BBC - but it is not a simple 'make it a subscription or shove adverts on' - you then lose the BBC & what it does.

A subscription/advert model has to work for their shareholders. News will no longer be independent & hold power to account - it will have to please it's advertisers/ shareholders.

A good example is the BBC's incredible education output, that would be lost. My little boy is autistic & it's incredible he is represented in programmes such as Pablo & Mr Tumble. As soon as you make it dependent on profits you lose this kind of precious content - as it is just not profitable. You only have to look at Netflix' dire output for children to see this.

MichelleScarn · 20/01/2022 15:11

Where does the money for all the BBC presenters come from? That must be in the millions as a total wage bill!
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57733127.amp

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 20/01/2022 16:08

The BBC is rubbish and I’m not paying for it. It can survive or die in the market like all the rest.

Squirrelblanket · 20/01/2022 16:13

The opening post has really made me laugh.

"The BBC is brilliant and if you don't agree then you are ignorant and/or stupid. Tell me which of these two crap options you prefer for funding it and don't you dare suggest anything otherwise."

Nice one, OP. 😂

duvetdayforeveryone · 20/01/2022 16:16

A subscription or opt-in version is the solution!!!

I never watch any BBC channel or BBC iPlayer or any BBC content on Youtube. I hate how if I want to watch Channel 4 or ITV I need to pay money that goes solely towards the BBC.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 20/01/2022 16:17

@Squirrelblanket

The opening post has really made me laugh.

"The BBC is brilliant and if you don't agree then you are ignorant and/or stupid. Tell me which of these two crap options you prefer for funding it and don't you dare suggest anything otherwise."

Nice one, OP. 😂

Yes - it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Horst · 20/01/2022 18:17

Bbc is the new Brexit tories.

If you don’t agree your thick, stupid, don’t care about others, believe lies being fed to you.

jcyclops · 20/01/2022 21:26

The government receives the licence fee revenue, and passes just over 90% of it to the BBC. It costs about £120 million to collect. Evasion is a growing problem at around 6% in England and has reached an estimated 10% in Scotland (possibly due to anti-Westminster sentiment). Evasion is one of the reasons why replacing the licence system is attractive.

Nobody seems to have mentioned TV licence revenue from non-domestic sources. Pubs, clubs, offices, shops, hospitals etc. all have large numbers of TVs, and there could be a million TV sets in Hotels.

Licence revenue provides £3.5bn for the BBC. 1% on income tax would raise £5.5bn, 1% on NI £4.9bn and 1% on VAT £5.2bn

Bakewelltart987 · 20/01/2022 21:42

Erm how about we just scrap the license and bbc have adverts.
We should not be forced to pay for something we don't watch or use.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 21/01/2022 13:45

David Dimblebore has just popped up on Radio 4 with the OPs daft idea.

PlanktonsComputerWife · 21/01/2022 18:42

Hello, Dimplebum👋 Question Time is much better with Fiona.

R0BERTA · 22/01/2022 11:24

Yes it's unreasonable to put it on Council Tax, because I (and many others like me) would be paying for an entertainment service we don't use.

R0BERTA · 22/01/2022 11:27

jcyclops said:- "Evasion is a growing problem at around 6% in England and has reached an estimated 10% in Scotland"

How much of that is evasion, and how much is simply non-payment?

EatSleepRantRepeat · 22/01/2022 11:30

No. I haven't worked hard my entire life to see my income constantly being seem as a piggy bank for other people's "nice to haves". The BBC is not the NHS, and as for the overseas influence, if you think its more influential than the money China is throwing at African countries or Saudi and Turkey at Islamic ones, you're rather behind in your politics.

R0BERTA · 22/01/2022 11:31

No it wasn't.

The BBC agreed to take responsibility for over 75s licences, in exchange for a fee increase, and the adding of iPlayer to the licence.

R0BERTA · 22/01/2022 11:34

Dazedandconfused28 said:- "This was actually the result of a government cut"

No it wasn't.

The BBC agreed to take responsibility for over 75s licences, in exchange for a fee increase, and the adding of iPlayer to the licence.

cherryonthecakes · 22/01/2022 11:39

Why can't BBC channels be on freeview with adverts? I literally watched one BBC programme last year (Line of Duty) and don't listen to BBC Radio either (I stream music) so hope that it's genuinely going forever.

Kshhuxnxk · 22/01/2022 11:39

Why don't those who want it pay for it by subscription like Netflix or Sky or whatever else you can get. Seems most straightforward way. Oh, and I wouldn't subscribe so can't wait to see the back of it for something I don't need but am forced to pay for..

KittensWearingWoollyMittens · 22/01/2022 11:42

You think they're brilliant? Really? They covered up child abuse they knew was going on and never apologised for it. They pay their female journalists less for doing the same job than their male counterparts. They are not brilliant.

cherryonthecakes · 22/01/2022 11:49

The BBC is far from brilliant. I see no problem with them competing for viewers against other channels. If that means most of their channels are scrapped then so what ? It is a bloated company because it's just handled money and I see no problem with shareholders making sure that they run an efficient and tight ship.

Svara · 22/01/2022 14:36

It doesn't make sense to link it to outgoings. A family cound be spending half their income on housing, another family a quarter. It could impact families who are already struggling with high rent and council tax as a proportion of their income. It needs to be linked to income not bills.

EatSleepRantRepeat · 22/01/2022 15:47

I'm so glad I'm paying £100-odd a year so that BBC2 could host the World Indoor Bowls championships all afternoon, then endless gameshow dross on BBC1 at primetime tonight... please, let me pay even more and we might get the footage of watching paint dry Hmm

CornucopiaTVLR · 27/01/2022 22:20

@jcyclops

The government receives the licence fee revenue, and passes just over 90% of it to the BBC. It costs about £120 million to collect. Evasion is a growing problem at around 6% in England and has reached an estimated 10% in Scotland (possibly due to anti-Westminster sentiment). Evasion is one of the reasons why replacing the licence system is attractive.

Nobody seems to have mentioned TV licence revenue from non-domestic sources. Pubs, clubs, offices, shops, hospitals etc. all have large numbers of TVs, and there could be a million TV sets in Hotels.

Licence revenue provides £3.5bn for the BBC. 1% on income tax would raise £5.5bn, 1% on NI £4.9bn and 1% on VAT £5.2bn

No. The BBC collects the revenue and it goes through the Government books for "big accountancy" reasons. The BBC receives all of the fee under the current arrangements.

It is the BBC who collects the fee and undertakes enforcement. They employ an outsourcer called Capita to do most of that work. There are a lot of issues with the enforcement system.

The costs of enforcement are paid by the BBC. ISTR it is c. £51m per year at the moment.