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AIBU to propose this idea for replacing the BBC Licence Fee?

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BuanoKubiamVej · 19/01/2022 10:10

The BBC is brilliant, and those who are against it are either swallowing the propoganda of media outlets who know they could make more money if the BBC is overthrown, or simply don't realise the huge global benefits that the BBC creates. But that's not my AIBU so please don't vote on the basis of whether or not you believe this.

However, it's true that the current licence fee is effectively a regressive tax - it is a significant amount of money to the poorest households, but is a negligible amount for the comfortably off.

A subscription or opt-in version isn't the solution, because the universal accessibility of BBC services needs to be maintained. The BBC does a huge amount more than just make TV programmes and even those who never watch TV are getting a lot of benefit from it.

So here's my idea for creating a progressive replacement for the TV licence - tie it in to the Council Tax, putting it on the same bill and collecting it at the same time.

There can then be bands for TV licence payments according to the Council Tax band of each residence. Families on a low income occupying a high-band property would get relief under the same structure as normal council tax relief, meaning that broadly those of us with larger and more comfortable homes and lifestyles pay more, and those who are on the lowest incomes pay the least.

The table in the attached image shows in the 4th column the revenue that would be generated if 100% of properties liable for council tax paid the new progressive TV licence fee in the 3rd column. The total raised this way would be significantly more than the amount that is currently generated by the TV licence fee - there would be plenty of flex to (a) use some of the exess income for the reasonable costs of administering the new scheme and (b) have a system for exempting some properties, according to whatever criteria are necessary to ensure that all situations where it would be unfair for the TV Fee.to be applied could be given a zero rate.

Data for the number of properties in each Council Tax band got from here: on gov.uk

Please vote - YANBU = "This is a good idea" (you can vote YANBU if you think it's a good idea but would never be implemented because of the machinations of those who just want the BBC dead - that doesn't stop it from being a good idea)

YABU = "This is seriously flawed and I will post below as to why."

NB this is specifically about how to address the regressive nature of current BBC funding whereby the poor and the rich pay the same. If your gripe is with the existence of the BBC at all, please use a different thread for that.

AIBU to propose this idea for replacing the BBC Licence Fee?
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pidgefork · 19/01/2022 18:00

YABU. I don't have any desire to watch or support the BBC so do wish to fund it. At all. We cancelled our licence about 10 years and have somehow survived without it. Those that want it can fund it themselves.

AtomicSquirrel3 · 19/01/2022 18:34

You don't need a TV licence to listen to the radio so that's irrelevant.

cptartapp · 19/01/2022 18:39

We pay two bands higher council tax than next door. Only because we bought the house after it had been extended by previous owners (so it was then rebanded) and they extended theirs themselves and have stayed out (so it wasn't).
We already pay more council tax for the same services. I don't see why we should pay more for the TV licence as well.

EmmaH2022 · 19/01/2022 18:47

Broblem

Thanks, that's interesting. I don't really watch news so I admit I am not the person to give comparisons. I wonder if watching BBC news and GB news is two separate realities?

However, when I stopped having a TV licence I did have a sense the BBC had a particular agenda.

Some of what I have seen since then (I care for mum so sometimes see it when there) has made me glad I'm not bothering with live TV and BBC.

Mum almost stopped watching news the last two years because, she tells me, there's been so much hysterical non factual stuff. She watches PMQs religiously though.

The issue of compulsory payment is different again.

Also, there's lots of stuff that some would consider a public good, from Fulbright scholarships to the English National Ballet. I'd not be happy with a £150 bill for those either and I see the BBC as similar.

Haven't been to America for ten years so I don't know how their news has changed but I used to like the format of state news first, national news second and international news next.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 19/01/2022 18:52

OP is like one of those crappy sales videos

"Would you like it in the blue or the green" - brook no argument with the assumed premise you want to buy.

Voting should have said only vote if you love the BBC.

EddieVeddersfoxymop · 19/01/2022 19:08

Another means tested thing for the squeezed middle. We can't give much more.

lljkk · 19/01/2022 19:39

German public service broadcaster charge system is similar to what OP suggests, afaik.

megletthesecond · 19/01/2022 19:44

I sort of agree.
I don't want adverts on BBC. Horrible things.

Gingerkittykat · 19/01/2022 20:20

What happens when someone falls into arrears on their council tax because of the added TV license cost?

Council tax enforcement is pretty harsh, they can arrest your wages or benefits and take money from your bank accounts. Would you want that to happen for TV license arrears?

I love Radio Scotland and see the value in Gaelic radio and would happy to somehow pay for those but I don't watch any TV so no need for a license.

Savile · 19/01/2022 20:59

OP sounds like a BBC shill.

Subscription/adverts is the only way.

Terminator666 · 20/01/2022 07:27

My property is band A and I wouldn't even pay the £26 suggested in the banding figures.
I would stop my monthly CT DD and pay a lump sum by cheque minus fee they required for the TV licence, if the cheque was returned I would consider the CT paid.

The £396 they would want for a Band H property is more than twice the present licence fee, 2.49 times more using two decimal places in the figure.

Whattochoosenow · 20/01/2022 07:32

It should be adverts or subscription service.
We don’t watch anything on the BBC nowadays. It annoys me that I’m required to pay for watching live TV yet other channels are self funding.

mogsrus · 20/01/2022 07:38

Tie in with C tax! absolutely no way,that means paying for something once again.that I personally never use. No one pays for something they never use.It's got to go the way of subscription,it's a dinosaur.

CityMumma78 · 20/01/2022 07:43

It’s a totally idiotic suggestion and typifies leftest ideology i.e. punish those that work hard to get to where they are in life. It’s always the middle that get squeezed!! People on benefits that don’t contribute get childcare, have access to free university, get free prescriptions and dental treatment, free school dinners, free elderly care… the list goes on!
So your dumb suggestion is to take more from people based on their assets. I hate the BBC and think they are terribly biased but at least their licence fee is logical and fair!!

FuzzyPuffling · 20/01/2022 07:49

No. Council tax is a very heavy burden on the cash poor, asset rich people, plenty of whom do not get government help for anything.
And don't say "well downsize then!" since there are so many factors involved in moving house.

Ikeptgoing · 20/01/2022 07:57

Yabu
I can't vote as app doesn't give me option

I pay for Netflix prime and Disney+
In fact I also pay bbc tv licence but never watch live tv and rarely bbc iPlayer- maybe once a year if that and only as I think £159 a year? I ought watch something...! . I can live without it, I'd happily delete re the app as I watch everything in digital tv or devices.

If it was not for iTV licence people being so notoriously unreasonable & threatening to those who declare they no longer use live tv or bbc and don't need a tv licence, I would cancel mine and delete the apps to live tv and bbc iPlayer. It's a £13 a month rip off.

I don't want it added to my council tax! I already pay enough CT and am on low income (qualify for some CTC) but not low enough to get CT benefit as that's for people on extremely low income on means tested benefits.

I cannot see how I benefit from bbc taking money from me at all.

sst1234 · 20/01/2022 07:58

Sorry what’s your idea. Tax people? That’s what happens now. It’s not an new idea to just tax a different way.

Getyourjinglebellsinarow · 20/01/2022 08:01

Why the fuck should people be earning huge wages in a privately owned organisation be taxing the British people?!
Stick some fucking adverts on like everyone else and be done with it.

sst1234 · 20/01/2022 08:01

@CityMumma78

It’s a totally idiotic suggestion and typifies leftest ideology i.e. punish those that work hard to get to where they are in life. It’s always the middle that get squeezed!! People on benefits that don’t contribute get childcare, have access to free university, get free prescriptions and dental treatment, free school dinners, free elderly care… the list goes on! So your dumb suggestion is to take more from people based on their assets. I hate the BBC and think they are terribly biased but at least their licence fee is logical and fair!!
Spot on. Tired old socialist ideas reheated.
Getyourjinglebellsinarow · 20/01/2022 08:05

If people would rather pay than have adverts then they can also have a subscription that removes adverts, I think C4 or ITV do this.

Ikeptgoing · 20/01/2022 08:06

With your suggested additional fee based on CT bands, my TV licence annual charge would go up.

I'd simply cancel it.
There has to remain a mechanism to be able to say it's not a service I use.

I don't have anything against BBC, I just get better value from streaming services and online news so I would rather keep the option to choose to be excluded. I haven't yet but will take the step to one day.

Ikeptgoing · 20/01/2022 08:07

Also council tax is to fund local services, not national ones. That would be HMRC tax taken from wages.

Redglitter · 20/01/2022 08:09

@Whammyyammy

Ot we could just abolish it. If you don't watch or want sky, you're not forced to pay it. If you don't watch Netflix, you're not forced to pay it. If you don't watch Disney +, you're it forced.....

However, the BBC.... although I stopped paying years ago and just bin the letters. BBC is outdated and so is the licence fee/tax. .. both need to go

100% this!!
FreedomFaith · 20/01/2022 08:10

Nope. I'd have to pay more than I would now, although I got rid of it as I don't watch live TV or BBC. I won't until they get rid of the fee. It's a stupid old concept that needs to go. Plus they just showed how money hungry they are when they stopped giving it for free to the elderly. They don't deserve my money and never will, especially with the shite they put on TV.

lonelyapple · 20/01/2022 09:53

The BBC is a perfect example of socialism for the rich.

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