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To walk my in season dog? Is it a criminal offence?

306 replies

PollyPurpose · 18/01/2022 11:43

Just that really.

I’ve just been stopped by a local dog walker and she politely but firmly told me it is a “Criminal offence to walk an in season bitch; under a section something…? ”. She stated that if a male dog follows my dog out of the park and gets hit by a car I am legally and criminally liable. She also said I am ruining all dog walks for entire dogs.

I did politely ask what it is owners are meant to do as dogs need walking - she said pavement walks in the dark. As a lone female in london I won’t be doing this.

So yes what are peoples thoughts. Is it actually illegal because I can’t imagine not being able to walk her for three weeks at a time. Twice a year.

She always remains on lead and is small enough for me to carry. She is three years old and I’ve never had an issues - if a male dog has shown interest they’ve usually been called back by an owner.

In response to “have her neutered” I will once I have decided whether Or not to breed from her.

OP posts:
AlwaysLatte · 19/01/2022 13:26

No one is going to get “physical” with a 40kg German Shepard or Rottie if it comes after their in season bitch
I would sincerely hope that owners of such large dogs are able to control them otherwise they shouldn't be out in public spaces.

TheVolturi · 19/01/2022 13:28

I totally understand the point you made Juergen. All dogs should be on a lead and under control so it makes no difference if a bitch is in season.

SilverHairedCat · 19/01/2022 13:29

@AlwaysLatte have you tried to wrestle a 40kg animal determined to get to an unspayed bitch in season? It's not a matter of control.

This thread is absolutely batshit and shows just how many dog owners are seriously ignorant about the risks to and from their own dogs on the most basic of subjects. Shame on so many of you.

TheVolturi · 19/01/2022 13:31

[quote SilverHairedCat]@AlwaysLatte have you tried to wrestle a 40kg animal determined to get to an unspayed bitch in season? It's not a matter of control.

This thread is absolutely batshit and shows just how many dog owners are seriously ignorant about the risks to and from their own dogs on the most basic of subjects. Shame on so many of you.[/quote]
Why is the 40kg animal not castrated?

SirSniffsAlot · 19/01/2022 13:32

I've also known a couple of in season bitches to be almost feral in their need to get away and be mated - having once had the (hilarious now) job of dragging my poor on lead male crying down the road while a randy little terrier bitch who had escaped her garden followed us all the way, presenting at every opportunity.

I also knew a springer who was found 'backing up' the a small gap in the fence whenever a 'handsome' male walked by.

It would be good if everyone could just cut everyone else a bit of slack.

Yup, agree with that.

EerieSilence · 19/01/2022 13:42

@SirSniffsAlot - we walked our own in inhuman hours when she was in season, to avoid meeting any males. We also have no fence where she could present, she's either outside with us or in the house, I certainly wouldn't let a non-spayed and in season bitch on her own in the garden, I've had a dog jumping over the neighbour's wall once to get to our garden as he was chasing the cat so I'm not going to risk it.
What I really hate though is the general misogyny, albeit a canine one on this thread. All responsibility is on owners of bitches, only to make the life convenient for the owners of males.
If someone is so inconvenienced, nothing is stopping you from snipping your little darling's balls. Peace resumed.

Wolfiefan · 19/01/2022 13:46

@EerieSilence bitches are in season for days. Males shouldn’t be neutered until they are mature. Why should they be kept on leads at all times for years because owners of bitches aren’t careful for that short period?

girlmom21 · 19/01/2022 13:48

@EerieSilence maybe you should have considered things properly before getting a Doberman bitch if you only have a small garden...

SirSniffsAlot · 19/01/2022 13:52

I was sharing anecdotes, not suggesting you - or anyone here - do leave their in season ladies unsupervised Smile

fwiw, I'm in the camp of 'everyone should be taking responsibility for the safety, health and well being of their own dog'. What that really means in practice will vary depending on the dog you've got and the oportunities you have to achieve it.

Ultimately, as someone who always prefers a dog walk in the middle of nowhere with not a soul in sight and miles from civilisation... it's ultimately not a great issue for me. It wasn't even when being stalked by a randy little terrier while my chap cried all the way home "But Mum, WHY can't I shag her?!?!" (I later popped out, caught the madam and returned home to her parents, shamed-faced Grin).

Thatldo · 19/01/2022 13:56

@AlternativePerspective

This smacks of the Taliban, keep the females in so the males are not bothered say what now?

I am assuming the poster said this for effect. Nobody actually, genuinely thinks there are similarities between a dog in season and the Taliban?

There are similarities indeed!!most people with a female dog will spay their girl by the age of 2 years old,so the pestering from male dogs stop.Owners of male dogs come up with ridiculous comments why they dont castrate their dog(he will loose his manhood🤣).both my girls are spayed and if they get pestered by an uncastrated dog,that dog gets its balls kicked.
CoastalWave · 19/01/2022 13:57

Your poor dog. You kept her going through in season just in case you one day feel like making some money off the back of her?

That's basically it. Dress it up how you like.

I would say you're incredibly unkind and irresponsible - the woman was right.

EerieSilence · 19/01/2022 14:05

@girlmom21 - I certainly don't have an envelope sized garden and my Dobermann gets lots of exercise. I certainly wouldn't let her run on her own in the garden as she digs for cat shit.
@Wolfiefan - if you can't control your male dog and don't castrate him, keep him on the leash. Simple as that. I keep my bitch in season on the leash, keep your hormonal dog on the leash.

Blossomtoes · 19/01/2022 14:10

@CoastalWave

Your poor dog. You kept her going through in season just in case you one day feel like making some money off the back of her?

That's basically it. Dress it up how you like.

I would say you're incredibly unkind and irresponsible - the woman was right.

We’ve done the same thing and won’t be making a penny from her one and only litter. In fact, by giving her puppies away, we’ll be significantly out of pocket. Are we wicked and irresponsible?
iBrows · 19/01/2022 14:13

Not getting involved with the ethics of breeding as it isn’t what you were asking.

It’s not illegal and all dogs should be under control, if other dog owners cannot keep control of their male dogs that is their own fault. They don’t have more rights than you or get to dictate when or where you walk.

tabulahrasa · 19/01/2022 14:15

Castrating dogs doesn’t always stop the interest in in season bitches... in fact the odd bitch will also harass in season birches as well.

Whistleforthechoir · 19/01/2022 14:21

@MorningStarling

Good to know dog walkers are inconsiderate or rude to other dog walkers, not just innocent members of the public.
GrinGrinGrin
PixieLaLa · 19/01/2022 14:36

My dog weighs under 5kg; if I’ve had an issue with a dog following before I would simply pick her up.

You sound clueless, please do not breed any dogs! 🙈

Wolfiefan · 19/01/2022 14:39

@EerieSilence I have bitches! I keep them on lead and away from off lead dogs when In season. (Not spayed for health reasons. Not breeding.)
I may get a male in future. I’m not keeping it on lead for years until it can be castrated until people can’t be responsible.

crosstalk · 19/01/2022 14:51

I have a 14 y o unspayed terrier bitch who is in season. I walk her in town on lead and in country on lead when in season and am lucky to have open spaces with few dogs which I can see a mile off and dodge.. She doesn't like other dogs anyway after being badly attacked by a male Rottweiler (when not on heat) when she was a 3 y o.

Interestingly when walking in the local park on lead, I haven't seen any male dogs getting hugely frustrated and coming up to us.

Emilyontmoor · 19/01/2022 15:29

I have witnessed a normally very obedient neutered male goldie run two miles across a crowded London royal park to get to an in season bitch whilst my entire collie (not neutered on vet’s advice ) ran after him with us and just looked on bemused at the spectacle of him being driven mad by hormones. In fact none of the 6 collies I have owned (not at the same time) has ever shown interest in females in heat. Perhaps the farmers bred it out of them because they couldn’t have them shagging the sheep?

I also know the owner of a neutered male beagle who no longer walks him in the Royal Park because he was constantly sexually harassed by other male (neutered and unneutered) dogs.

All the owners of females I know who waited a season to get them spayed just took it as sensible to stay out of the crowded park.

Hormones are going to do what hormones are going to do and humans complaining they are inconvenient isn’t going to change that.

On breeding do we not now have laws to make sure people who breed for money can only do so if they are registered and monitored to prevent irresponsible people making money by having multiple litters from pets in their homes? There have been a few litters seized and people prosecuted especially during the lockdown madness (when the breeders I know actually stopped breeding and selling their dogs because the market was so chaotic).

Ghislainedefeligonde · 19/01/2022 16:14

This thread is full of bonkers remarks.
Yabu to take your in season dog to busy places
For those saying that males should be castrated, there is a lot of conflicting evidence about whether this is the right thing regards later health issues, and it certainly can’t be done till they are fully mature or can cause a lot of problems
I came across a woman with her in season dog running loose on the beach with lots of other dogs chasing it, she thought it was hilarious. We’ve had our dog castrated mainly to avoid problems with idiots like that who think it’s so funny to cause distress to lots of dogs. We did wait till he was fully mature though.
There seems to be pretty clear evidence that getting a bitch spayed has health benefits, there is much less evidence for male dogs and certainly some evidence about increased health problems in castrated dogs which is why I think people are less keen to get it done.
It’s certainly not comparable to the fucking taliban Hmm

nalabae · 20/01/2022 05:59

What an idiot, I have my in season bitch in a park with my male dogs don’t just all jump on her because she’s in season nor is it illegal

People never seem I amaze me

nalabae · 20/01/2022 06:01

Strange some of the comments
My bitch is in season and no dogs chase her around, only one seemed interested in her but left with his owner. I walk her with my male dog maybe why

TinyW · 20/01/2022 06:05

My dogs one and only season was a nightmare. She was really poorly and when I did take her out it was very late at night and it set all the local dogs off barking. I got her done almost immediately after.

BABAHOTEL · 20/01/2022 06:57

I had someone on a Facebook dog walking group telling me I shouldn't even walk mine at night in a pavement. She said a dog can sense an in season female for up to two miles, that they can then get out of even a secure area, they could get run over, lost etc. I pointed out that therefore she was saying I couldn't even let my dog into the garden, because surely the same thing would happen.

I choose out if the way, quiet places to exercise my in season bitch, she's had one season and will be having two more before she's spayed. It's a bit of a pain, but for her size and breed it's recommended three seasons.