To want to know when WFH will end ?

[fizzypop100]

Because this has dragged on for so long

The issues with data protection could easily be solved by wearing headphones so that you no longer listen in. The failing to comply with data protection in this instance lies with your DH.

Are you seriously suggesting that an employee is obliged to make their home consistent with data protection laws? So if the walls are thin, and the neighbours can hear through them, should the employee have to pay for insulation?

How about an employer provides a suitable place for them to work? Otherwise known as an office?

@fizzypop100

DH works with data protection and WFH is a joke.. I am present at many of his meetings, hearing everything as he works on our HOME. Also, big fuss made in workplace about ergonomics and posture, correct chair etc. That's a joke as he's been squashed in a corner on a fold up chair for most of the last 2 years !

My employer (public sector and not flush with cash!) provided equipment for us to WFH - chairs, desks, monitors, keyboards, mice, headsets, etc. Your DH should ask his employer for them to do the same.

Headphones would work fine so long as the DH doesn’t have to actually speak himself on any of his calls…

@Blossom64265

Would people accept that wfh is more efficient for those of us who have the types of jobs where we work independently on detail focused projects. It’s much easier to write code, go over the fine details of a contract, or review an equation heavy paper, without the sounds of people chatting about their weekend in the background.

Totally agree. (Copyeditor here.)

Fine if they live alone I suppose, @Blossom64265

Yet all analysis suggests that On average people are in fact more productive wfh

Yes it doesn't suit everyone or every job or every home but it clearly suits a lot

Blaming wfh for poor customer service sounds like leaping to conclusions and grasping at straws to try and force everyone to be the same , the same as you

Accept and embrace diversity

Yet all analysis suggests that On average people are in fact more productive wfh

Which analysis is this?

I do think WFH works brilliantly in some jobs and for some people, but WFH through choice is quite a different beast to WFH in a pandemic pandemic when you and your organisation didn't sign up for it.

@IcedPurple

The issues with data protection could easily be solved by wearing headphones so that you no longer listen in. The failing to comply with data protection in this instance lies with your DH.

Are you seriously suggesting that an employee is obliged to make their home consistent with data protection laws? So if the walls are thin, and the neighbours can hear through them, should the employee have to pay for insulation?

How about an employer provides a suitable place for them to work? Otherwise known as an office?

I am not wearing headphones in our HOME.

Yet all analysis suggests that On average people are in fact more productive wfh

What 'analysis'? And how do you define 'productive'?

@GoldenOmber

Headphones would work fine so long as the DH doesn’t have to actually speak himself on any of his calls…

Or if the missus doesn't need to make use of her ears for 8 hours a day.

There are lots of different studies

All with the sane conclusions

Different metrics - sone time based and others output metric based

I get the feeling you can't see beyond your own situations

I do wear a headset for work calls, and my work would probably have provided one for me if I hadn't just got one myself (b/c the work-provided ones are uncomfortable and crap). It makes voice quality better on my calls but does close to fuck all for confidentiality, really.

I am not wearing headphones in our HOME.

Is it really that outlandish? I wear headphones at home loads, so I can listen to whatever music without disturbing DP or our neighbours. I'm wearing them right now actually and I'm the only one at home!

@anothersmahedmug

There are lots of different studies

All with the sane conclusions

Different metrics - sone time based and others output metric based

I get the feeling you can't see beyond your own situations

Okay, could you link one of them though?

@PattyPan

I am not wearing headphones in our HOME.

Is it really that outlandish? I wear headphones at home loads, so I can listen to whatever music without disturbing DP or our neighbours. I'm wearing them right now actually and I'm the only one at home!

All day, when you aren’t the person in calls? I wore headphones when stbxh was across the landing and we were both working so we couldn’t hear the other side of each other’s calls , but on my day off I would potter around the house, have a long bath etc. I didn’t wear headphones for that! If he wanted confidentiality he had to go to the office, or sit in one of the vehicles.

www.forbes.com/sites/adigaskell/2021/05/31/how-productive-have-remote-workers-been-during-covid/?sh=3a2bb8ab639e

@PattyPan

I am not wearing headphones in our HOME.

Is it really that outlandish? I wear headphones at home loads, so I can listen to whatever music without disturbing DP or our neighbours. I'm wearing them right now actually and I'm the only one at home!

It's my home. I will not adapt or inconvenience myself. Why should I ?!

[quote anothersmahedmug]www.forbes.com/sites/adigaskell/2021/05/31/how-productive-have-remote-workers-been-during-covid/?sh=3a2bb8ab639e[/quote]
The 'study' cited is based on self-reporting, which is unreliable. Lots of people think they are 'more productive' WFH but colleagues and customers don't necessarily agree.

All day, when you aren’t the person in calls? I wore headphones when stbxh was across the landing and we were both working so we couldn’t hear the other side of each other’s calls , but on my day off I would potter around the house, have a long bath etc. I didn’t wear headphones for that! If he wanted confidentiality he had to go to the office, or sit in one of the vehicles.

Yeah, pretty much all day if I am working (DP is still going in to his office) - either I'm listening to music on them or listening to calls. I wouldn't wear headphones in the bath but I wear them for watching Netflix on my laptop or listening to music before bed etc. I'm currently just listening to Spotify on them while browsing MN and Pinterest, no one else is here. Didn't realise that was so weird! I wear them most of the time in the office as well to stop people approaching me drown out background noise.

@PattyPan

I am not wearing headphones in our HOME.

Is it really that outlandish? I wear headphones at home loads, so I can listen to whatever music without disturbing DP or our neighbours. I'm wearing them right now actually and I'm the only one at home!

If you want to wear headphones all day, fine.

But why should someone do so just so in order that they don't hear their spouse's work conversations? If confidentiality is important, then their employers need to make arrangements to ensure it is maintained, perhaps in one of those new-fangled office places. It's not a spouse's responsibility to do this.

@anothersmahedmug

There are lots of different studies

All with the sane conclusions

Different metrics - sone time based and others output metric based

I get the feeling you can't see beyond your own situations

The study is self reporting based on how people feel they’ve done

But also

"Employees miss the sociability and benefits of collaboration offered by working in shared workspaces," the researchers say. "This could drive a surge back to the office when lockdown restrictions ease and confidence returns, particularly amongst younger people."

So this part is acknowledged

But why should someone do so just so in order that they don't hear their spouse's work conversations? If confidentiality is important, then their employers need to make arrangements to ensure it is maintained, perhaps in one of those new-fangled office places. It's not a spouse's responsibility to do this.

Personally I don't actually think it's a massive issue for someone's spouse to overhear this stuff. I was just surprised that OP considered it outrageous to wear headphones at home which I think is a completely norrmal thing to do!

If what your DH is dealing with is so confidential that it isn't OK for you to overhear then that part of his role isn't suitable for working from home. He needs to go into the office or the car. We are along way on from work at home at all costs.

It’s getting a bit silly now isn’t it. We f working from home suits both you and your employer (some people seem to have forgotten that it’s the employer who pays them!) then great. If working from home doesn’t actually work for your employer or the type of work you’re doing then you need to go to the office. There’s no right to work from home.

@PattyPan

But why should someone do so just so in order that they don't hear their spouse's work conversations? If confidentiality is important, then their employers need to make arrangements to ensure it is maintained, perhaps in one of those new-fangled office places. It's not a spouse's responsibility to do this.

Personally I don't actually think it's a massive issue for someone's spouse to overhear this stuff. I was just surprised that OP considered it outrageous to wear headphones at home which I think is a completely norrmal thing to do!

What if it's not just someone's spouse? What if it's their kids, siblings, flatmates or even neighbours listening into confidential info?

And you say you don't think it's an issue, but if it was your sensitive information being overheard by an unknown number of people, would you be fine with that?