It's a parking one

[jeaux90]

We live on a small development. At my end it's a cul-de-sac with 5 houses. We all have our own parking spaces/drives and there are two visitor spaces. Which were clearly marked with small metal visitor signs (the other area for visitor spaces still is)

Two neighbours have decided that because these visitor spaces are within their boundaries that they aren't visitor spaces. However, in everyone's part title transfer document they are clearly marked and there is a whole paragraph clearly stating they are for visitor spaces for everyone who has a part title transfer.

The neighbour removed the signs and have since used the parking for their own cars declaring that each of them own that space (so, one each, even though both neighbours have two spaces)

Now, I have sent them a copy of documents (they have the same one) and explained that although something might be on your land there are always things like shared driveways, access and parking exemptions. Both neighbours have seen the document, acknowledging they saw them, but haven't commented or conceded. One of the reasons I bought the house is because it had visitor parking really close, so this is all really annoying.

AIBU to put the visitor signs back on? Or should I wait until they concede?

Sounds a complicated setup and very open to being taken advantage of, have you put the signs back yet?

I lived in an apt block previously and this was an ongoing issue. Visitor parking was based on goodwill and residents had to pay for a parking space annually. Each apt was sold with one space which meant there was a shortage of space for apts with two cars. (It was in the city so not every apt had two cars though).

Some residents claimed the visitor parking and ensured they kept the space for themselves by moving their second car from their allocated space to the visitor space to ensure nobody parked there.

In the end, a limit of two hours was put on each visitor space and every car parked in a visitor space had to display a ticket on their windscreen showing what apt they were in and what time they parked there. If they stayed for over two hours, they either had to put up a new ticket or get clamped. Each ticket cost the apt owners money so frequently changing them quickly added up.

People regularly rang the clampers and organised for cars to be towed.

It solved the issue and visitor spaces were freed up for genuine visitors.

Put the signs back up.

As an update I now have feedback via text on the pack of print outs I sent. It's a little gaslighting but I'll take it as a sign that at least one of the two CF neighbours are conceding that they are V spaces. It's along the lines of "never said they weren't"

If I decide to put them back on I need to order them, but I will definitely do that if the management company don't.

It doesn't stop them permanently parking there though. even when the labels were still on they used to park there all the time.

@Dancingonmoonlight god that sounds awful and infuriating

We have this problem. We all have garages and there’s loads of street parking but we also have visitor spots that belong to no particular house. Some people have decided they want to use them all the time but then it causes problems when the gardeners come (who look after all the common areas) or tradespeople etc. Plus it’s unfair! Those spots are on common property, owned by all of us.

Our management company send out reminders on behalf of the owners corporation. Over and over and over in the hope that maybe one day people will realise that visitors parking is a shared resource for all and not for their personal, exclusive use 🙄

Do you have a couple of friends who could park their cars there OP? Just use one space. The two residents abusing the spaces will end up arguing over the remaining space and that might be enough to put an end to it.
Otherwise write to your management company about setting a time limit on each space. The MC must be proactive here. In my case, each apt was paying £2K management fees annually and there was no way the residents were going to put up with bad behaviour from other residents.

I would consider approaching the management company that they become paid for by half a day.

I would also ensure I start parking in them signage up or not and keep your space free for your and nice neighbours visitors.

This is one of the reasons I hate new build estates. We looked at a gorgeous house on one, almost bought it but one of our parking spaces was in a group of several spaces and I could just envisage all and sundry parking in them.

Well!! So one CF neighbour has put the visitor sign back on! Still one other space so I assume the other neighbour has the other sign.

I had messaged to say I'd asked for new signs so perhaps a retreat in the face of the inevitable.

@jeaux90

Well!! So one CF neighbour has put the visitor sign back on! Still one other space so I assume the other neighbour has the other sign.

I had messaged to say I'd asked for new signs so perhaps a retreat in the face of the inevitable.

They're conceding. Don't give up now!