It's a parking one

[jeaux90]

We live on a small development. At my end it's a cul-de-sac with 5 houses. We all have our own parking spaces/drives and there are two visitor spaces. Which were clearly marked with small metal visitor signs (the other area for visitor spaces still is)

Two neighbours have decided that because these visitor spaces are within their boundaries that they aren't visitor spaces. However, in everyone's part title transfer document they are clearly marked and there is a whole paragraph clearly stating they are for visitor spaces for everyone who has a part title transfer.

The neighbour removed the signs and have since used the parking for their own cars declaring that each of them own that space (so, one each, even though both neighbours have two spaces)

Now, I have sent them a copy of documents (they have the same one) and explained that although something might be on your land there are always things like shared driveways, access and parking exemptions. Both neighbours have seen the document, acknowledging they saw them, but haven't commented or conceded. One of the reasons I bought the house is because it had visitor parking really close, so this is all really annoying.

AIBU to put the visitor signs back on? Or should I wait until they concede?

Install penguin 🐧🐧 bollards!!!

Be careful. Parking arguments can get out of hand. It's a very hot one parking.

I’d put the signs back up I think I’d do it do it openly and as though it’s no problem at all. I’d put signs up and, if possible, paint something on the tarmac.

@Ibleedibreedibreaatfeed

Install penguin 🐧🐧 bollards!!!

@LessTime

I’d put the signs back up I think I’d do it do it openly and as though it’s no problem at all. I’d put signs up and, if possible, paint something on the tarmac.

I'm very tempted. I mean I'd rather the management company did it, I don't want it to get personal or anything.

It's the entitlement that really gets up my nose.
Everything they need to know is in their own documents, it's like they are putting their fingers in their ears and singing.

Just carry on as if the signs are still there, when you have visitors get them to park in the visitor space if empty. If the the neighbours are parked in the space, get your visitors to block them in, which might make it inconvenient for them enough to stop

I'd park there a few times to get the message across to them that they don't own these spaces. Keep at it with the management company/council.

From their POV though, it must be very annoying to have visitor parking on your land. If it's a new build estate, were they aware that these would be there when they bought the plot? Not sure how it works for buying newbuilds....

They won’t concede

They’re betting on you being typically spineless and all “I don’t do confrontation” on them

Do NOT capitulate on this.

You not wanting it to get personal is exactly what they’re banking on

Go out there in daylight and replace the signs

Get your neighbours to do the same when the signs are taken down again

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea it's actually really common. You can have something within your boundary that has access over it or parking etc

As PP have said - broad daylight - put them back up. I'd be tempted to get someone to film you, just to cover your own arse.

But if its their plot and boundary lines is it not their land? Using land as access is different to stopping on it is it not?

If the spaces are on everyone's title deeds then anyone who wants to sell will potentially have a problem.

When we bought our current house a cock up at the land registry meant that about 4 square meters of our neighbours garden was registered to us. Because we wouldn't have "vacant possession" of it on completion of our purchase the mortgage company wouldn't approve the mortgage until it was sorted. A bit like why you can't get a normal mortgage if a property is tenanted.

So if you wanted to sell you'd have the same problem with the visitor parking which you should have access to but don't.

I'd be mentioning it to all the other affected neighbours in passing and asking if they want to seek legal advice with you. I imagine that'll sort it before you have to spend any actual money on solicitors but even if you do at least the cost will be shared.

I came back to say install penguin bollards 🤣 you can say you'll drop them for visitors only.

Got any friends that could come visit and leave their cars in them for a few days/weeks?

OP ... we need a Diagram!!!

It's MN parking thread rules ..

YANBU. Team up with non-dickhead neighbours and make a rota for parking in the visitor spots.

Ask the parking Co to paint VISITOR SPACE
inside the area.
Or don your black gear and get to it..

Call the management company. Every day.

I'd park in them to piss them off. But this is the problem with these kind of estates now, all it takes is one idiot to move in and you've got problems as simple things like parking are too complex for them.

@ZenNudist

I'd go and paint Visitor on the ground.

On the ground? I'd paint visitor or something ruder across their bloody car

Keep pressing the management company OP, and good luck. I live in apartments with visitor spaces and we're regularly reminded they're for visitors, not residents.

@UserOne I would guess that the deeds show everyone in those houses having a right to use those spaces rather than everyone having ownership. The first would be completely normal, the second a major cock up!

[quote eurochick]@UserOne I would guess that the deeds show everyone in those houses having a right to use those spaces rather than everyone having ownership. The first would be completely normal, the second a major cock up![/quote]
You are spot on. It's really clear in the deeds. We are all entitled to use them as visitor spaces. There is a diagram in the deeds and an extensive description in the document.

I have tried to explain this, sent them a pack of print outs but they seem to think that just because the spaces are within their boundaries that none of this matters.

Online there is also the signed agreement between the developer and council saying the same, the permission being based on that and other factors of course.

In the meantime me and the other reasonable neighbours continue to encourage our visitors and tradespeople to use the spaces.

Insist the management company uses something permanent like tarmac paint to label them?

Sadly I have lost the ability to understand a parking thread without a diagram :(

Could you and your non-CF neighbours put signs up on your land pointing to the visitor parking? That way you're not putting anything on the CFs' land whilst clearly laying down the law.