To not vote for Labour as a former conservative voter, would you vote for Labour now?

[SonicBroom]

Just that. This thread is for anyone who has voted conservative in the past to ask what you’d do in the future. Please don’t derail with anything else.

I voted conservative most of my life until Boris came along. I voted LD in the last election not just because of Brexit, but because I couldn’t support the way that Boris conducted himself and his party.

But. If there were an election tomorrow I couldn’t bring myself to vote Labour. I can’t put my finger on why. It’s partly because KS just hasn’t cut through, I don’t question his integrity but I can’t quite see him as a statesman? And partly because Angela Raynor makes me worried that the Corbyn politics could rear their head again at any moment. Rightly or wrongly, she comes across to me as being too aggressively against people who have made a success of their lives —there, I said it— !!

So I wondered how many former conservative voters feel the same or not and why… partly as a proxy for how BJ might weather the partygate storm?

YANBU - I don’t want to vote conservative but Labour haven’t convinced me either so I won’t be voting for them

YABU - I don’t want to vote conservative again and I’d vote Labour

@starfro

Right now Diane Abbott is arguing for Zero Covid. That's how batshit insane the Labour Left are and why Labour are still unelectable.

You’re batshit for putting all the “left” in the same box based on one person.

Former Tory voter, firstly austerity began to ouch me away, the Brexit in fighting and lies pushed me further away, couldn’t ever bring myself to vote for Corbyn, the current Tory crop are abhorrent to me. If still in place, I will be voting Starmer at the next election.

I will vote tactically. To get the Tories out be that labour or lib dem whichever is appropriate ar the time

I really believe Boris will step down - he has to. I think Lizz Truss will take his place and I will vote for her. She really stuck her neck out for women rights when no one else would. With out her catastrophic changes to the GRA would have happened and for the that I am eternally grateful

I am actually really worried that Angela Raynor will take top spot in Labour. I really really wish Labour would get their shit together so I can go 'home'

If they get rid of Boris and replace him with Rishi or Liz then yes, I would vote Conservative again. Current Tory MP here in what has always been a Labour seat and he is a bit of a numpty but is a local man and has been approachable and engaged since he got in. Previous Labour MP avoided engaging wherever possible.

@AngelicInnocent

If they get rid of Boris and replace him with Rishi or Liz then yes, I would vote Conservative again. Current Tory MP here in what has always been a Labour seat and he is a bit of a numpty but is a local man and has been approachable and engaged since he got in. Previous Labour MP avoided engaging wherever possible.

You’d take Rishi, the billionaire who profited from the financial crisis in 2008? Or Liz Truss who’s done an about turn on Brexit just for career highs?!

What low standards.

@starfro

Tories have handled the Pandemic pretty well. Labour in charge would've been a disaster and I'd have lost my job and home. The No10 parties are disappointing, but are inconsequential when it comes to me deciding who to vote for.

Tony Blair invaded Iraq resulting in millions of deaths, yet still got re-elected in 2005. Is a drinks party really comparable?

Have they? In what sense?

Biggest death toll per head of population in Europe.
£37 billion on a track and trace system that neither tracks or traces. Rampant corruption with regard to NHS contracts.where donors, friends and families benefited from an illegal vip lane.
Desperate shortage of PPE, millions spent on useless ppe, pandemic ppe stockpiles sold off five years ago against its own experts advice.
Failure to lock down early enough despite advance warning.
Opened up too early against scientific advice.
Eat out to help out should have been called eat out to infect.
Moved infected elderly into care homes.
Lack of testing.
Eased restrictions too early.
Promised a five day Christmas easing of restrictions last year against scientific advice, then they panicked and cancelled it.
Nightingales hospitals seemed like a good idea but we’re actually a total sham due to lack of staff.

All this against a background of an nhs that has been systematically run down and has lost thousands of bed since they came to power. .

Obviously we have no evidence that labour would have done any better under corbyn (who I didn’t like) but I can’t see him giving billions to his corporate mates(he doesn’t have any) and labour ran the nhs a lot better than the Tories did and it’s the nhs that did the lions share of the work when it comes to the pandemic.

With regard to Tony Blair, I despise the man but he didn’t do I alone. Did the tories oppose the Iraq war or did they vote for it in droves. Do you think a Tory prime minister would have told George W Bush to do one?

I don’t want to derail the thread but the fact of the matter is that the uk handled the pandemic badly on almost every metric but kept up a constant stream of self praise that gives the impression they did a great job.

I’m a ‘small c’ conservative but can’t countenance voting for this shower of absolute, morally bankrupt, manipulative, contemptuous, gaslighting, lying, bastards, with that utter, utter, fuckwit at the helm. Not a chance in hell will they get my vote. We are living in an abusive relationship with our own government, who appear to have forgotten that they’re there to serve us, not the other at round. If there was an election tomorrow I’d vote for the party most likely to get them out. I really wouldn’t care who that might be at this stage.

Biggest death toll per head of population in Europe Not true
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
We have had a terribly badly managed pandemic but don't spread mistruths

All the nonsense about Tony Blair gives me the rage. You'd think from all the outrage that he singlehandedly took the decision to invade Iraq and dragged the whole world along with it. Yes, it was wrong. And hell yes, the Tories would have done exactly the same thing and anyone who believes otherwise is a complete numpty.

@derxa

Biggest death toll per head of population in Europe Not true www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ We have had a terribly badly managed pandemic but don't spread mistruths

I stand corrected but it’s extremely high and given we’re an island. It’s pretty poor.

That table shows we have had very high death rates, even though we’re not the worst, and many countries have had tiny rates compared to ours.
I don’t think we can argue that our government handled this pandemic well.

Nope, I'll never vote Labour. But equally Conservatives are absolutely awful - the current 'party-gate' just takes the piss. So I have no idea who I'll vote for tbh...

I find things like these parties or other mainly personal failings are not usually what prompts me to change my vote. I suppose because my experience has been, and my reading of history, that the leaders who can steer a nation best are not always the most morally upright or the best people in their personal lives.

So while I might think less of a leader, all of that stuff gets slotted in behind, how effective would this government actually be compared to that one.

So mainly policy, how effective or likely I think it is they will actually do things. Also questions around underpinnings - anyone who is a threat to the principles and institutions liberal democracy stands on is a no. Corruption can play into that but not always if it remains low level.

Now, personal evidence of being really stupid - that is another story. I find that difficult to vote for. You never know what misstep a stupid politician might make.

At this point, I think Starmer is a better person than Boris, for sure. I don't think either are stupid, but I dispair over some of the Labour MPs (more than I do with the Tories though neither has a great field of candidates.) But I think Labour are in thrall to id politics and a kind of left authoritarianism. The Tories main problem is probably corruption and lack of vision.