people stealing

[Sportslady44]

Why do people keep stealing in general. All the time in the paper or local facebook groups, its my car has been broken into, my bike has been nicked, my shed has been targetted, one estate where i live is particularly having a problem with cars being broken into a night at the moment. They do have cameras and they post the footage etc.

Its everywhere though, whats wrong with people why do they keep taking things that arent theirs? Why have they no morals.

How would they like it done to them?
They are a nuisance all the time to law abiding people and keep causing upset?

Why cant people stop taking what is not theirs? Dont they think of how the people they are stealing from are going to be affected by their actions?

Grrrrr. Sick of seeing it all the time!!

I live next door to the neighbourhood’s thief (keeps getting done for breaking and entering, lots of short, meaningless sentences). He’s not addicted to hard drugs, just cba to get a job. Working is beneath him. Just a broken mentality.

Thing is, every single person trying to oversimplify this is not helping.

There are lots of reasons that people steal. And some of them are just doing it because they’re arseholes who don’t care about other people.

There’s no sob story to be found in people living in a half million pound house stealing a neighbour’s bin because they don’t have enough room in their own. Just individualism and a feeling that they matter more than their neighbours.

It’s not comparable to Somali pirates, or shoplifting by drug addicts, or gangs who seek out nice bikes to steal, or large scale corporate embezzlement and so on.

It’s not even the same as drunken antisocial behaviour and stealing someone’s garden gnomes.

There are lots of things going on. You cannot reduce it to drugs or poverty or disadvantage or unfair systems.

Organised crime often in our area targeting high spec cars, catalytic converters etc.

Our local m and s gets targeted frequently - I was in there the other day when someone walked out with an armload of food and booze. The security guy did nothing but he pounced on the elderly lady whose shopping triggered the alarm

I think you hit the nail on the head with they don't think how it affects the person. I was mugged for £40 yesterday it was all the money i had . Vaguely know the person who did it, they know i am disabled and vulnerable i think. Horrible horrible thing to do to someone. So sorry to everyone who has been a victim of theft. Saddest part of what happened in my case ? Had they asked I would of given them a ten or twenty and been glad to help. Humans are going through all sorts of things and have all sorts of problems they have to try and fix to get through their day, some of it is survival, they do what they feel they need to to survive what they think they can. X

@Goawaystormy You reckon? Well you try telling that to the family of an elderly person who has died from being beaten in their own homes for a few pounds.
Or a family whose Christmas has been wrecked when thieves burgled them and stole the kids presents.
Maybe try people whose homes have been ransacked and sentimental belongings stolen.
Or knock yourself out on stories of people who had their disability car stolen and wrecked.
Of course, there's the shopkeepers who have been in fear of their lives when a robber has threatened them with a knife or a gun for their takings.
Of course, you could always listen to a family whose loved one has been killed by someone driving a stolen car.
And that's without a lot of elderly vulnerable people who have been too frightened to continue living in their own homes after a burglary and so ended their days in a care home.
That's just a few examples. However, if you think I'm the one lacking in morals then fair enough.

@Twentypast

Yes it's disgusting, happened to dh

More recently the groups have become violent if they are challenged, terrifying

They even stole them from Doctors/ nurses cars at the hospital- all time lowlife crime

[quote woodhill]@Twentypast

Yes it's disgusting, happened to dh

More recently the groups have become violent if they are challenged, terrifying

They even stole them from Doctors/ nurses cars at the hospital- all time lowlife crime[/quote]
It's frightening. My friend and her DH watched her catalytic converter stolen by 4 men. In under 5 minutes they had the car raised up and the cc taken.

The reason they watched? One of the thugs stood outside their front door waving a baseball bat.

Yes wonder if we are in the same area. I've heard of this happening.

Your poor friend

@haribofiend

I doubt it’s a morals problem, more of an impoverished society problem. Thank you Tories.

There have been people living in poverty forever, they didn't all decide to steal from those around them.

Much as I dislike this government and all they have done it's got nothing to do with them and everything to do with people's feelings of entitlement to take things that don't belong to them.

Not all people that steal are living in poverty and not all people living in poverty feel it's acceptable to steal; if I were living in poverty I'd find it extremely offensive for people to assume, because I'm poor, I lack fibre and am going to go out and break the law.

Ohgiveup: I completely agree with you, if a burglar breaks into a house and gets tortured or even killed by the home owner they fucking deserve it, don't be a thieving piece of shit in the first place then.

*lack moral fibre, that should be.

Why work for your money or for someone else when you can easily take something from someone else that you probably can’t afford yourself or that you can make money from?! (Meant sarcastically)
That’s why you get career burglars/car thieves. It’s their job and lifestyle effectively.
Often they enjoy the buzz and going to prison is just a by product of that job. Prison isn’t something that bothers career criminals as they carry on their illegal activities whilst inside. It’s where their friends and contacts are. Often criminal activity runs through families as that all the offspring have ever learnt.
The rest of us law abiding, hardworking folk will never understand it as we’re not wired that way

I've just done an essay on vulnerability, offending and social stigma. Quite an eye-opener. Lack of morals? Poverty? nowhere near being that simple. There are reasons, many reasons why they do it and keep doing it and why the police can be on an absolute goose chase trying to stop it.

It's so complex that I couldn't even begin to type what I researched. Also, I have worked with thieves/offenders, and the research backed up what I saw. It runs much deeper than lack of morals and doing it for an easy life. I wouldn't swap my life for theirs any day and the police do much more than you think in trying to stop it, their lives and circumstance can just be so complicated then throw in the fact that people just don't want them in society it can be very difficult for them to resolve.

Bananalanacake

Ohgiveup: I completely agree with you, if a burglar breaks into a house and gets tortured or even killed by the home owner they fucking deserve it, don't be a thieving piece of shit in the first place then.

You can legally use reasonable force to protect your properly & family. Certainly if someone came upstairs in to my house where my children are I’d lose my mind and not be responsible for my actions. I think this applies to a lot of us. Most of these burglars are just kids

My point was that regardless of how atrocious a crime is there will always be someone making excuses for the perpetrator.

"He was poor, so he didn't see another way to get money"
"He is rich so suffer from affluenza".
"It was only twenty minutes of action" ( The last one said by Brock Turner's dad because Brock was convicted for rape).

Yes, we all know that many Somalis live in horrible poverty but from there to saying that it is understandable that they commit piracy ..... A Danish family was held hostage for more than six months because of course they couldn't afford to pay the $1 Mio. ransom. What next? If it is ok to kidnap or burgle someone because you are really poor then it must also be ok to rape someone if you are really horny? FFS! Would be nice if people showed the same kind of empathy to the victims.

Understanding the reason for a behaviour is not excusing the behaviour or insulting victims.
If you understand the reason for a crime you can tackle it. Punishments don't reduce crime.

[quote OhGiveUp]@Goawaystormy You reckon? Well you try telling that to the family of an elderly person who has died from being beaten in their own homes for a few pounds.
Or a family whose Christmas has been wrecked when thieves burgled them and stole the kids presents.
Maybe try people whose homes have been ransacked and sentimental belongings stolen.
Or knock yourself out on stories of people who had their disability car stolen and wrecked.
Of course, there's the shopkeepers who have been in fear of their lives when a robber has threatened them with a knife or a gun for their takings.
Of course, you could always listen to a family whose loved one has been killed by someone driving a stolen car.
And that's without a lot of elderly vulnerable people who have been too frightened to continue living in their own homes after a burglary and so ended their days in a care home.
That's just a few examples. However, if you think I'm the one lacking in morals then fair enough.[/quote]
Give over, you quite clearly talked about wanting to snap the fingers off people who broke into your empty garden shed, that is sadistic and immoral.

I do agree the type of crimes you've talked about in your second post are absolutely awful and immoral and should not be happening. However the way to tackle violence and immoral behaviour isn't more unnecessary violence and immoral behaviour (of course self defence is completely necessary and if someone hurts a criminal in the process of protecting themselves that's fine). But snapping off peoples fingers after the fact just to enjoy their pain is still sadistic, there's a reason these kind of punishments are confined to the Middle Ages and we've moved on as a more progressive and civilised society.

What next? If it is ok to kidnap or burgle someone because you are really poor then it must also be ok to rape someone if you are really horny? FFS! Would be nice if people showed the same kind of empathy to the victims.

This is a massive leap. Firstly no one needs sex, but if you're really poor you do need money to put food on the table/pay for shelter/essential healthcare (basically keep yourself alive).

There's also a sliding scale of burglary. Do you think the single mum stealing formula is as bad as people executing a heist? There's stealing for survival and then there's stealing for personal luxury gain.

Kidnapping is more difficult to understand because it always involves harming someone (even if only emotionally, although there is sadly normally physical violence involved too). However none of us have lived a day in these Somali peoples lives. We don't know just how desperate they are, whether there's actually any other way for them to survive. All the posters on this thread saying they'd go ballistic on someone if there was threat of harm to their children - that's a kill or be killed attitude. Perhaps these pirates are in the same position, they have to kidnap for money otherwise they and their children would be killed through starvation/the elements/lack of medical care.

I am empathetic to victims. But empathy isn't a limited resource and in some cases you can also be empathetic to the criminal. Especially if the crime was one of survival. Rape is incomparable, that's a crime about power and control, not keeping yourself alive, that's what makes it's unforgivable.

@Ozanj

These crimes are opportunity based. If ppl locked doors / kept bikes indoors or in sheds / didn’t leave keys in cars & kept automatic keys in rfd wallets many of wouldn’t happen.

Terrible post

people have their bikes stolen when they are locked up
people have sheds broken into and houses etc.

@Mountaingoat12

I live next door to the neighbourhood’s thief (keeps getting done for breaking and entering, lots of short, meaningless sentences). He’s not addicted to hard drugs, just cba to get a job. Working is beneath him. Just a broken mentality.

how would he like it if someone stole from him?

Do you think he would be annoyed or would he say oh thats alright because i do the same to others??

I apply it to all of them, not just one particular set @goawaystormy However, I'll await your complaint to have this post deleted too.

I apply it to all of them, not just one particular set @goawaystormy However, I'll await your complaint to have this post deleted too.

Well if you apply wanting to snap the fingers off thieves to all thieves including: parents who steal formula/food to feed starving children, people who are at the point of 'steal or die' and even people who steal because they have no other way of getting money (unemployment massive and rising), then yes i'd say you're immoral and sadistic and lack any understanding of nuance of mitigating circumstances. Thank god the rest of society, our courts and justice system has moved on from this medieval mindset.

As for your deleted post I didn't actually report it because I thought leaving it up would act to show people how you really are - resorting to personal attacks because you can't actually defend your point.

However someone clearly saw your disgusting personal attack and rightly thought that those kind of posts don't belong on MN. If you don't want your posts deleted, don't break talk guidelines, it's quite simple.

@goawaystormy of course different crimes elicit different of empathy but there is a lot of victim-blaming and a bit too much empathy with criminals.