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Have we been cleverly fobbed off by Christian g.p g.p?

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Drinkwinewithme · 31/12/2021 20:29

Ran dd15 physical symptoms by G.p . She said bring in dd to have e.c.g and that she thought she could have p.o.ts syndrome.
ECG was fine, blood pressure low on standing but nothing to worry about..But she also said that we were to look up somatic. Is this the same then as hypochondria, if so why not just say! How do I cure the somatic ?

I asked if she had pots, should she have tilt test ? She said no as she was not passing out. So I'm confused. A.i.b.u being confused ?
Also above g.p's head, a framed Bible poster saying that those who believe in Jesus will see their health soar (like eagles wings). So belief will make her well? I'm sure there was some mention of once she has this diagnosis, she won't have to knock on medical doors (well what if she does need to consult, what is this about ?!) .

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HappyDays40 · 31/12/2021 23:55

Could you also have been passed while in attendance at yhe GP surgery? May explain a few things.

RockinHorseShit · 01/01/2022 00:09

I've no idea why so many think a teenager getting bad service from a GP for a potentially live changing condition is a piss taking matter.

Perhaps it's not the OP who is pissed, or at very least pissed at life & lashing out at others to compensate fir their shitty lives

CriminalOrator · 01/01/2022 00:43

Christ the GP....
Christ, the GP....

Would explain a lot.

GreenLunchBox · 01/01/2022 00:50

@Fallagain

Where are you that GPs are running ECG in their surgery?
We do ECGs. It's an excellent practice.
GreenLunchBox · 01/01/2022 00:51

@HappyDays40

Could you also have been passed while in attendance at yhe GP surgery? May explain a few things.
Seems like you are 🤔
RockinHorseShit · 01/01/2022 00:55

Our surgery Do ECG too, but an ECG won't show up POTs.

I can only guess that the ECG was clear & so the GP came up with POTs which is actually amazing as so few doctors we've met know POTs at all, let alone suggest it She does need a referral for an official diagnosis though & blood tests to rule other causes out.

RoomOfRequirement · 01/01/2022 00:59

Sounds like your own intolerance more than the GP using their religion in any inappropriate way.

Pollingbadly · 01/01/2022 00:59

The poster shouldn't be there.

The pots advice was rubbish.

See a different gp or ask for a letter of referral to a specialist and see them privately if you can.

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 01:03

I’ve had a tilt table test. The other thing tk get checked if she’s got low BP on standing. Would be Addison’s. So get a 8-9am cortisol. Just to rule out.

Somatic means functional. It means something mentally traumatic that brings physical symptoms.

However. She’s talking crap. Because you can’t have somatic low blood pressure. Not really.

Theworldisquiethere · 01/01/2022 01:20

@Fallagain

Where are you that GPs are running ECG in their surgery?
I had an ecg at my gp surgery just a few weeks ago to rule out any other problems before they test me for pots.
BlackeyedSusan · 01/01/2022 02:32

if blood pressure is low on standing then it is unlikely to be POTS. blood pressure does not drop on standing but heart rate rises. They do like to do an ecg/ scan your heart, before tilt table tests.

RockinHorseShit · 01/01/2022 02:55

Not always true @BlackeyedSusan, plus there's different sub types of POTs. My BP can rise on standing, due to hyperadrenic POTs

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/postural-orthostatic-tachycardia-syndrome-pots

PermanentlyDizzy · 01/01/2022 03:17

@BlackeyedSusan

if blood pressure is low on standing then it is unlikely to be POTS. blood pressure does not drop on standing but heart rate rises. They do like to do an ecg/ scan your heart, before tilt table tests.
That’s not necessarily true. You can have a concurrent diagnosis of PoTS and Vasovagal Syncope. It’s a common misconception, even among cardiologists. People with both diagnoses tend to have the heart rate increase with relatively stable BP, then a sudden drop after prolonged standing.

@Drinkwinewithme, @RockinHorseShit’s post is spot on. Both myself and my ds have PoTS (secondary to Ehlers Danlos, as mentioned by a pp). Ds faints ‘a lot’ without medication. I have never been a fainter really, although have on occasion.

Definitely push for a referral to a specialist. Both ds and I had tilt table tests, but it’s no longer considered necessary for diagnosis, especially in paediatrics. However, a properly conducted poor man’s tilt/active stand test should be carried out by a specialist (usually a cardiologist/electrophysiologist). EGC and Echo should be carried out to rule out any other causes for the symptoms and as I think a pp mentioned, blood tests for cortisol levels should be checked, alongside bloods for vit D and B12 deficiencies and anaemia. As others have said, ECGs won’t show PoTS, so aren’t part of the diagnostic process as such, but rather to rule out any other causes. Even prolonged/ambulatory ECGs don’t tend to help with diagnosis, as there’s no effective way of recording what the individual was doing when they were tachycardic.

Unfortunately, paediatric specialists in PoTS are like hen’s teeth in the UK. Once they turn 16 it gets easier, as they can be accepted by adult care. Dr Gall is the best of the best and can be seen privately in the first instance, but can only make recommendations to the patient’s GP or paediatrician until they turn 16, at which point he can add them to his list. Another option for a private consult is Dr Gupta of York Cardiology, who will also see Paeds. In my experience, General Paediatricians don’t tend to have any knowledge about PoTS at all, so don’t be fobbed off with seeing just a Gen Paed instead of a cardiology or specialist referral.

As others have said, PoTS UK website is a good starting point and I can highly recommend Dysautonomia International as well, which was where my specialist directed me to stay on top of properly researched up to date information.

Sadly, the vast majority of PoTS patients, especially teenage girls are told it’s either anxiety, mh issues or somatic before eventually getting their diagnosis. Things are improving, but it’s taking a long time for PoTS to be properly recognised understood by many doctors and shockingly, there are still those that don’t even believe it exists and will jump to the aforementioned assumptions rather than making appropriate referrals.

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/01/2022 03:55

POTS is not well understood in the medical profession. And your GP was wrong. My dd has a medical condition and saw a paediatric cardiologist privately, who specialises in this and POTS. He did the standing tilt test at the same time as the consultation. If you can afford this, I would recommend you do so. You could probably get the answer for a one off consultation fee.

Zotter · 01/01/2022 04:05

Look at NASA 10 Minute Lean Test

“Orthostatic intolerance (OI) is an umbrella term used to describe abnormal autonomic nervous system response to orthostatic challenge. Orthostatic hypotension (OH), neurally mediated hypotension (NMH) [or neurogenic hypotension] and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (PoTS) are terms used to describe variants of this response”

batemanhornecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NASA-Lean-Test-Instructions-1.pdf

Zotter · 01/01/2022 04:06

Ps I agree with push for a referral to a specialist in dysautonomia.

whitewashing · 01/01/2022 04:41

….then you say ‘what does somatic mean doctor?’ before you leave the surgery instead of asking a bunch of people on MN who are more interested on a picture in the surgery.

Hydrate · 01/01/2022 04:46

I know if I were not confident in the doctor's diagnosis I'd get a second opinion.

Meowwwwwww · 01/01/2022 05:37

@Viviennemary

Your post is very confusing. Never heard of pots.
If you haven’t heard of it why would that be relevant to the OP’s question? I suspect OP was looking for responses from people who can relate or share some advice or info, not checking to see if you Viviennemary have personally heard of a well-known health condition. Are you also one of those people who answers questions about Amazon products by saying “I don’t know, I haven’t opened it yet”?

www.nhs.uk/conditions/postural-tachycardia-syndrome/

I googled it for you so now you’ve heard of it.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/postural-tachycardia-syndrome/

HoppingPavlova · 01/01/2022 06:19

-Sadly, the vast majority of PoTS patients, especially teenage girls are told it’s either anxiety, mh issues or somatic before eventually getting their diagnosis. Things are improving, but it’s taking a long time for PoTS to be properly recognised understood by many doctors and shockingly, there are still those that don’t even believe it exists and will jump to the aforementioned assumptions rather than making appropriate referrals.

I don’t believe it’s because most HCPs don’t believe it exists but rather they recognise that orthostatic issues are common and transitory in teenage girls and that for most it will resolve as they progress out of teenage years. If every teenage girl who exhibited symptoms was in referred it would be chaos.

I say this as a mother to a daughter who was diagnosed as a teenager (via tertiary paed cardiac/neurology services, and who also has ED and a shedload of other medical issues) and as a HCP.

noworklifebalance · 01/01/2022 08:00

I don’t understand much of OP’s post but I don’t think the poster should be there. I am atheist and wouldn’t have understood the meaning of that poster especially if I saw it in the context of 5-10min consultation. All I would been able to take from that is that it’s a religious quote and this should not be in a doctor’s office/medical practice unless in specially designated areas such as a hospital chapel.
The meaning or sentiment of the quote can be expressed with other non-religious messages.

JustUseTheDoorSanta · 01/01/2022 08:06

I can't understand what's happened. @Drinkwinewithme can you write down exactly what the doctor actually said? If you can't remember and are worried then best to go to another GP for a second opinion.

CovidCorvid · 01/01/2022 08:14

Dd has EDS and POTS. Her POTS was diagnosed by a consultant rheumatologist without a tilt table test. Iirc she is supposed to be on a waiting list for one (not sure why as she had a diagnosis already) but that was two years ago and she’s not had one. Though possibly he just talked about the tilt table test and decided against it. No idea, Dd had just turned 18yo so had to go by herself into the appt due to covid so I’ve only ever had a garbled half account of it all.

PermanentlyDizzy · 01/01/2022 11:19

@HoppingPavlova

-Sadly, the vast majority of PoTS patients, especially teenage girls are told it’s either anxiety, mh issues or somatic before eventually getting their diagnosis. Things are improving, but it’s taking a long time for PoTS to be properly recognised understood by many doctors and shockingly, there are still those that don’t even believe it exists and will jump to the aforementioned assumptions rather than making appropriate referrals.

I don’t believe it’s because most HCPs don’t believe it exists but rather they recognise that orthostatic issues are common and transitory in teenage girls and that for most it will resolve as they progress out of teenage years. If every teenage girl who exhibited symptoms was in referred it would be chaos.

I say this as a mother to a daughter who was diagnosed as a teenager (via tertiary paed cardiac/neurology services, and who also has ED and a shedload of other medical issues) and as a HCP.

@HoppingPavlova I didn’t say ‘most HCPs don’t believe it exists’. I said it’s taking a long time to be recognised and understood and that there are those who still don’t believe it exists. I know of plenty of cases where this is what people have been told, myself included, even after both my son and I were both diagnosed. PoTS UK are doing an outstanding job of raising awareness, but it’s taking a long time for the information to be absorbed, passed on and used effectively.

Things are definitely much better than they used to be. I spent most of my life not having a clue what was wrong with me - 30 years of being fobbed off, told it was all in my head, that I would grow out of it etc, whilst being too sick to work or participate properly in life.

Of course there’s is no need for every teen that exhibits symptoms to be referred, as GPs and General/Comm Paeds should know enough to perform an active stand test properly and refer if the patient meets the baseline criteria. Sadly so many either don’t know or don’t bother. Even with me being diagnosed and a clear family history of other comorbid conditions gen paeds, told us my ds didn’t have PoTS and if he did, his bp would drop on standing. They hadn’t even heard of an active stand test. Thankfully a Cardiology referral had already been made via another specialist, but even then he was bumped twice within Cardiology until they found someone who had any knowledge of PoTS and this is at a well known and respected children’s hospital. At the multi-GP practice we attend, there is not one GP who understands PoTS and after almost a decade, they still refuse to prescribe ds and my medication. Every appointment starts with the GP stating ‘I don’t know anything about PoTS’.

Similar situation with EDS, where we were told straight by the Paeds Rheumatologist my son was referred to, that, ‘I do not believe hEDS exists’. So he didn’t get diagnosed until he moved to adult care, at which point the Rheumatologist was aghast that he’d been refused a diagnosis, as he clearly met the criteria and is badly affected with lots of medical issues relating to it.

RockinHorseShit · 01/01/2022 11:58

@PermanentlyDizzy

We had similar issues. DD diagnosed with Joint Hypermobility by a paediatric Rheumatologist who didn't believe in hEDS, POTs or PA & was unprofessionally arsey when I took DD for a second opinion to see a Hypermobility specialist doctor. This Rheumatologist even accused me of munchausens by proxy for getting a second opinion... & full proper diagnosis & wrote to our GP saying so... GP showed me the letter & told me to complain

I had similar with my diagnosis too. I was incorrectly diagnosed with fibromyalgia & M.E. Asked for referrals after DDs good consultant said she could see I had hEDS & POTs too. Thankfully our GP is great & listens, but 3 different practice nurses did my active stand test wrong & didn't like my interfering & asking if that was right as I'd read differently. GP had to do it herself I the end & it showed POTs as did my TTT I. Hammersmith. I was in my 50s & had also spent my life being told I had friggin anxiety when I tried to get help

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