Science podcasts now ‘gender neutral’ about pregnancy

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Listening to the ‘Brains On!’ Podcast about innies versus outies and other pregnancy related facts. Really excited that there was a new (to us), interesting podcast on science for our DC. However, quickly the podcast is all about how a placenta grows within a ‘pregnant person’ etc etc. That phrase was mentioned no less than 20 times. No mention of the fact that it’s actually a woman who has a child. Nope we are pregnant people now. It’s science.

I read that some women are offended when talking about how all women have wombs, give birth etc as obviously not all women have wombs.

I struggled with infertility for years because I don't ovulate. Women typically ovulate. If we didn't the human race would now be in even bigger trouble, if we still existed at all.

I am still 100% female/woman, with a uterus, XX chromosomes, more body fat, a smaller skeleton, smaller bone density, female hormones, less physical strong than a male/man. These factors would still be present if I'd had a hysterectomy, or been born without a uterus. That small detail of my physical anatomy makes me atypical. It doesn't make me no longer a woman.

Women have bodies which were designed to give birth. Some never do so, by accident, unfortunate circumstance in which not every working part of M/F anatomy comes together as it should, and sometimes by design. This hardly means they are not women.

FFS. I can't believe these obvious, transparent, plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face, simple and straightforward facts of life actually necessitate pointing out. Unbelievable.

The emperor is not only naked, he's waving a bloody great todger in plain sight, and you can only miss it if you're wilfully closing your eyes to it.

@NeedsCharging

hugr I kindly answered your question would you please answer mine?

Are you the kind of person that answers black lives matter with people's lives matter?

So you're saying you can't give an example?

And no I wouldn't answer with all lives matter. Sorry that I took more than 2 minutes to answer your question. Some of us have more important things to do.

When I became pregnant over 20 years ago now. my employer immediately started treating me differently, made life very difficult, took issue with every doctor or midwife appointment I needed to take and generally treated me like a liability even thoug I worked as hard as before and started my mat leave just a week before birth to convenience them. Was that discrimination based on me being a person or a woman?

Since them I've noticed every interview I've every been for they directly or indirectly asked me if I had children / planned to expand my family. Is that because I'm a person or because I'm a woman?

One interview I went to the interviewer said they were interviewing women over 35 specifically because they didn't want to deal with maternity care / mothers of pre schoolers. Is that because I'm a person or because I'm a woman?

These are just some incidents where I faced discrimination because of my sex, and I'm sure other posters have their own experiences.

People don't lose their jobs because they are pregnant, women do.
People don't lose opportunities because they are raising small children, women do.
People don't die, suffer life long injuries or PTSD during birth, women do.
People's gynecological illnesses are dismissed as "what to expect at your stage in life, women's are.

This is why its important that when we are talking about things that specifically affect women we don't dilute by talking about people.

Well said @MarieIVanArkleStinks

@TheWeeDonkey 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

And no I wouldn't answer with all lives matter. Sorry that I took more than 2 minutes to answer your question. Some of us have more important things to do.

Why wouldn't? I mean black people are just people just as women are people like you say. So what's stopping you from saying that?

@NeedsCharging

And no I wouldn't answer with all lives matter. Sorry that I took more than 2 minutes to answer your question. Some of us have more important things to do.

Why wouldn't? I mean black people are just people just as women are people like you say. So what's stopping you from saying that?

Because I don't want to?

So you're saying you can't give an example?

I gave examples in my previous post. Of how changing women to people directly impacts and disadvantages women and girls.

Because I don't want to?

Oh OK but you are happy for the word woman to be replaced by the word people? Why is it ok for 1 disadvantaged group but not another in your eyes?

hug

How would you go about teaching children what happens to their bodies as they get older?

If a girl has not started menstruating by the age of 16 that girl would need to see a dr.

If she were however brought up just thinking some people have periods some don't.. some.people get pregnant some don't. How would this girl be alerted to the fact she actually is one of those people?

Someone has to tell her right? I mean either you believe everyone is just people amd nothing happens to anyone I'm particular due to any specific characteristics and think any negative consequence is just unfortunate and not something that could be predicted.

Or you know full well what affects what sex amd are just cashing in on someone else doing the dirty work.for you.

Which is it?

The bbc recently published an article on people with prostate cancer. 1 in 12 people get it apparently. So is that one in.6 men (.as.presumably 12 people was 6 men and 6 women) or its in fact 1 in 24 people because they asked 12 men and 12 women no?

When deciding how to allocate resources amd research 1 in six vs 1 in 12 vs 1 in 24 would show different urgencies and need.

So do you think the BBC knew which 12 people to ask?

@NeedsCharging

Because I don't want to?

Oh OK but you are happy for the word woman to be replaced by the word people? Why is it ok for 1 disadvantaged group but not another in your eyes?

Yeah

@Linguini

Health websites are full of advice for "why am I not falling pregnant?"

The top common causes are
Being over 35
Having PCOS
Being too overweight
Being too underweight

I'm seeing a future where we need to explicitly explain
"Having a penis can be a reason why you're not falling pregnant" IN ALL SERIOUSNESS!!

The scary this is, this is exactly the kind of rubbish that will be needed to be in leaflets in the future.

We’re currently in the process of creating a generation full of kids that actually will believe that sex is a social construct and you can chose what sex you want to be on any given day.

It’s the epitome of terrifying

@Whatwouldscullydo

hug

How would you go about teaching children what happens to their bodies as they get older?

If a girl has not started menstruating by the age of 16 that girl would need to see a dr.

If she were however brought up just thinking some people have periods some don't.. some.people get pregnant some don't. How would this girl be alerted to the fact she actually is one of those people?

Someone has to tell her right? I mean either you believe everyone is just people amd nothing happens to anyone I'm particular due to any specific characteristics and think any negative consequence is just unfortunate and not something that could be predicted.

Or you know full well what affects what sex amd are just cashing in on someone else doing the dirty work.for you.

Which is it?

The bbc recently published an article on people with prostate cancer. 1 in 12 people get it apparently. So is that one in.6 men (.as.presumably 12 people was 6 men and 6 women) or its in fact 1 in 24 people because they asked 12 men and 12 women no?

When deciding how to allocate resources amd research 1 in six vs 1 in 12 vs 1 in 24 would show different urgencies and need.

So do you think the BBC knew which 12 people to ask?

I didn't learn about periods at school before I had mine. We had 1 3 day education on it which I was ill for. My mum taught me about periods and people who have them.

@hugr

Language matters, and cloaking 'pregnant women' in 'pregnant people' obfuscates matters. As I said before - it does not benefit women.

If you're so insistent that trans men are women, then it does benefit women.

I think it’s arguable that ‘pregnant people’ even benefits a transman who is pregnant. A transman is undoubtedly very aware of the dichotomy between their sex and their gender identity. They know they’re only pregnant because they’re a woman. A transman will benefit from clear language around the medical needs or biological facts of women because they too are women.

Do you seriously think that using a term that might benefit the proportionately extremely rare instances of pregnant transmen over a term that benefits over 50% of the population is sensible or fair?

Yeah

And there we have it.
hugr is happy to disadvantage women and girls only. The misogyny is strong in you clearly.

How did she know you needed to know?

Is there a particular group of people who need to know?

@hugr

I didn't learn about periods at school before I had mine. We had 1 3 day education on it which I was ill for. My mum taught me about periods and people who have them.

And what about girls who have families who don't talk openly about these things?

Girls who don't have a mum, only a dad and no wider family, so nobody older female they trust to ask? If that dad has archaic views and is too embarrassed to do the right thing and be as open about periods as a mum would be?

Those girls NEED to be taught outside of the home and they need correct and clear language in order to understand important things about their own bodies.

Lol. Always love to see gender woo 'people' crumble under the slightest questioning. Never gets old.

It's pandering nonsense to placate a tiny number of people and the much, much larger number of people who feel offended on their behalf. Offended by the actual scientific reality that "people who are pregnant" and "people who have a womb" are women. It's bizarre that so many think we should play along and pretend otherwise.

@Whatwouldscullydo

How did she know you needed to know?

Is there a particular group of people who need to know?

People who have periods

And identify those people how?

@Whatwouldscullydo

And identify those people how?

You really have to know how my mum knew I was going to have periods?

The samaritans was set up because a teenage girl killed herself after starting her periods because she didn't know what was happening.

Do we just tell kids that they may get a period or they may not. If a boy starts bleeding from his cock at around 13 we assume it's a period and don't bother investigating. I just love how bonkers it all is.

Yes. What class of people have oeriods.

How do the teachers know who to give the free samples. What people need them and why?.is there a name.for this group of people?