Brothers partner choosing not to get Covid jab means I can't see my parents this Christmas.

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So my brother met his now fiance 5months ago.She's from C19 Omni central in London and has a daughter 9 they have travelled up here for Xmas . I am very vulnerable to C19 as I have a generic disorder meaning though I've been double and boosted i m Still vulnerable to catching and getting ill if I caught this disease.We don't Know my brothers girlfriend fiance .My parents are in their 70s. Because of her she is not only putting my parents more at risk, I can't see them at all this Christmas as I would have done.Because it takes a fortnight for symptoms to show.My brother is Selfish and neither will do a lateral flow even before they go.AIBU?.

Thank you for all your comments so far. To clarify, indoors meeting an unvaccinated person for long periods of time thank you to the last post is So much 20 times more likely for them to transmit.I'm giving them a wide berth.It is my parents fault as well as they don't know her they don't want to risk upsetting her or my brother and so will take the risk with their health.They should I agree refuse but also there's a child here and they say they can't let a child down at Christmas.Pity her Mother doesn't think this what happens if she ends up in the IC U?.Child let down the n. Am giving them all a wide berth till we can safely meet outdoors and Omni wave passe d.☺

It reduces the severity.

And the more that have the jab the harder the virus has got to work. Which is not what it wants.

I'm well aware of the many benefits of the jab, having had 3 myself
Those benefits don't change my question about the OP's situation though. Yesterday everyone we saw apart from my DB (awaiting appointment) and our under 12 DC were triple jabbed. That didn't change us all doing LFTs before we met up.

Not for everyone. If people are immunosupressed then they may not have enough of an antibody response to vaccination.

@Bagelsandbrie

If you’ve been jabbed I don’t see the issue. (I’m clinically extremely vulnerable myself). Getting jabbed or not doesn’t stop people passing it on. If you’ve been jabbed it should stop you getting seriously unwell with it.

Sorry that was in response to @Bagelsandbrie.

Not for everyone. If people are immunosupressed then they may not have enough of an antibody response to vaccination.

Vaccine status is completely irrelevant here, but they really should agree to lft before coming...

@Outlyingtrout

You don't know the vaccine status of the person in the supermarket either. So you either avoid that too or you get on with life.

Spending prolonged periods indoors at close quarters is very different in terms of exposure to quickly passing by someone in a supermarket. Obviously different scenarios present different levels of risk so it’s not a case of “avoid everything or just get on with life”.

So there are no queuesvat the supermarket at Christmas? Yeah ok.

You just have to own your decisions on whether to see your parents or not.

No point getting upset with other people over their choices.

Their choices are not affecting your choices.

Understandable you don’t want to see your DB and his GF and her child if you’re CV and you think they’re high risk. But once they’ve gone home you could go to see your parents if they will take a LFT before you visit them.

You can’t dictate your parents don’t see one of their children in favour of you. You and your brother are equal, presumably.

Vaccination reduces the likelyhood of catching and transmitting the virus even though it doesn’t eliminate it altogether.

But vaccination aside refusing to do a LFT is twattish and says everything that needs to be said about her.

Friend has just had a falling out with her family because they refused to do lateral flow tests before getting together over Christmas. Friend is CEV and none of them have been vaccinated.

Apparently her nephew can’t bear the idea of putting a covid swab up his nose. Seems he doesn’t have much difficulty snorting coke up it on a regular basis though,

Anyway argument rumbled on and she cancelled meeting up with them for her own safety. She’s on dialysis, so if she catches it there are so many other potential repercussions for others.

And then in the middle of last week practically all of them were diagnosed with COVID. Twats.

I in 10 Londoners? That can’t be right the whole system would grid to halt without that many keyworkers off sick. Including transport and food. That be over 1.2 million people a day catching it

It's not far off @Akire 1 in 20 have positive tests so add in the asymptomatics, presymptomatics, and those who just 'have a cold' you can hit close to those numbers.

Can you all just do an LFT? There seems to be a lot of needless angst here.

well your parents have made the choice, why are you cross with your brother?

So there are no queuesvat the supermarket at Christmas? Yeah ok.

Why are people incapable of having a conversation without being rude and sarcastic? It’s so tedious.

Yes there are queues. Standing next to someone in a supermarket queue still poses a different level of risk to spending many hours at much closer quarters in a much more confined space.

1 in 20 test positive maybe yes, but 12 million people that live in London are not doing tests a day. I’m sure it is high for national average but don’t think helps say millions people in London are testing positive or have symptoms such as a cold. I live in London I should know least 30 people have it current total 1

@Akire

I in 10 Londoners? That can’t be right the whole system would grid to halt without that many keyworkers off sick. Including transport and food. That be over 1.2 million people a day catching it

The reports weren’t referring to new cases that day or saying that 1 in 10 people were isolating. They were saying that an estimated 1 in 10 people in London had Covid on 19th Dec so that would be all the people who had tested positive in the previous days/weeks and remained infected on that date, and I’m assuming probably also included an estimate of people who had symptoms but hadn’t been tested, asymptomatic cases etc. I didn’t read the government data, only the newspaper reports.

Right ok yes if count last 10 days it would add up that high. Sorry

Being unvaccinated has nothing to do with it surely as even if someone is vaccinated they can still get it and spread it. However she is being a twat for not testing.

I wouldn’t be concern d with vaccine status - I would be concerned with lateral flow test and activities on the lead up to meeting up (eg clubbing or London winter wonderland/ tube etc). Having said that husband and I double jabbed - son had tummy ache a few days ago and did a lft just to rule out Covid and low and behold he was positive. Husband and I were negative on lft but positive on pcr. Not usual symptoms at all yet…my husband could very much be part of the just a cold brigade and my son has headache and runny ache intermittently. So I guess what I’m saying is I would expect a lft but I would still be cautious if the person is a mingler versus someone that is a bit more cautious…x

Can you visit your parents before your brother and his GF?

I am high risk and came out of hospital last week. The meds, and nature of my illness, means I am now immunocompromised.

I wanted to see my grandchildren over Christmas. My DS, DIL and GC did LFT’s every day for 4 days before coming to me for Christmas dinner yesterday. After dinner they visited other family members.

It is your parents choice whether to have your DB and his GF over tbh. There is not a cat in hells chance would I have them over. Selfish twats!

My brother is Selfish and neither will do a lateral flow even before they go.

YANBU for wanting them to do a LFT.
If any of my family were vulnerable and wanted me to do one I absolutely would.

mum11970

Quote "Being triple vaxxed has not helped me in the slightest and I will now refuse to have any more."

Did you end up on a ventilator in intensive care mum11970?

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin

@mum11970

Her being unvaccinated is not stopping you visiting your parents. Your brother and her refusing to do a lateral flow is! Our household all have Covid at the moment and vaccination status goes from unvaccinated right up to triple vaxxed. I’m the only one triple vaxxed, am not vulnerable in the slightest (workout/run daily) and am suffering the most out of everyone. Covid was probably first caught by the double jabbed and the last to be infected were the unvaxxed and single vaxxed people. Quit trying to blame the unvaxxed for everything. Being triple vaxxed has not helped me in the slightest and I will now refuse to have any more.

How do you know you wouldn’t have been hospitalised with Covid if not for your vaccines? I’ll answer for you- you don’t.

YANBU to ask them to take LFT s it’s hardly a major inconvenience

I agree your brother is selfish but your parents need to be the ones to tell them they will not meet without your brother and his partner having done a test .

Vaccination status means nothing, people should be doing lfts regardless. We met up with 2 families yesterday, all tripple jabbed apart from 1 under 5. All did lfts in the days running up to and the day of the meet up.

Surely this is just common sense?