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Trouble with teenager! SOS!

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Seekingsage · 18/12/2021 22:24

So to briefly explain my situation, I'm 21, living with my fiance, trying to conceive, and at the same time facing parenting dilemmas as we unexpectedly became the legal guardians of his teenage brother (16 at the time now 17). I know on this site there are certain shorthand phrases used to describe members of the family for discretion but I don't know what they are or what they mean, please feel free to explain them but for now I'll refer to said teenager as teenager.

This teenager comes from a troubled home, as did I, as did my partner, they were kicked out at 16 following arguments with the mother regarding LGBTQ matters and their freedom to come and go from the house. There was police involvement in this kicking out as there was a small assault on teenager, this was obviously an extremely distressing time and since no social services or anyone offered to step in, me and my partner did. We took him in as he has nowhere else to go and thought at the time that the arrangement would be, he was taken care of in the sense of bills paid, food in the cupboard, companionship and emotional support from the two of us however since coming into our care, teenager has refused to prepare food for themselves, get drinks for themselves, clean their own dishes, do their own laundry, tidy their own bedroom etc. I could go on but you get the idea.
As it currently stands, if me or my partner don't bring food and water to teenagers bedroom, they don't eat or drink and then accuse us of neglect. Similar with all other aspects of everyday life, if teenager has no clean clothes it is our fault, if teenager hasn't bathed recently this is also somehow our fault.

I guess what I am asking is, these boundaries seem inappropriate. Whenever the subject of responsibility is broached it results in toddler like tantrums with slamming doors and sobbing and the arguably more upsetting, tiktoks being posted about how unloved and neglected he is.

The thing is, both me and my partner are clueless as to whether to put the proverbial foot down and let him sulk and accuse us of all sorts, or wether he is actually incapable of meeting his own basic needs.

Additionally, when teenager is alone with my partner (teenagers brother) teenager tends to say very upsetting and relatively unforgivable things. My partner then comes back to me upset, I comfort them, I explore the possible underlying issues, I advise him to verbalise his boundaries, but nothing seems to work. As an example, after teenager stormed off during a walk with my partner for (seemingly) no reason, the conversation looked like this.

Teenager: "Why the F* are you following me"
My partner: "Don't swear at me."
Teenager: "I didn't what are you talking about"
My partner: "Are you okay?"
Teenager: "I'm fine."
My partner: "You don't seem fine."
Teenager: ....................eyeroll and huff

This is somewhat typical of the behaviour issues we've been running into, as when he crosses a line and is corrected, he swears he never did whatever it is that two people saw/heard him do. Additionally, he expects us to know what has upset him every time he is upset and gets angry when asked, because he thinks we should know.
The funny thing is, if my partner says anything even slightly argumentative towards him (such as 'Stop speaking to me like that' or 'Why are you being like this?') he runs away and then sobs to me that my partner has been aggressive and triggered his PTSD. However teenager has no concern for the fact that he behaves aggressively and disrespectfully to my partner causing similar emotional pain for him.
While I'm lucky that teenager seems to behave more or less around me, that doesn't mean teenager doesn't say some fairly hurtful things about me behind my back. I don't know where I stand.

What I want to do is explain his behaviour back to him in a non confrontational way, e.g. "I'm not sure if you're aware but when you do X it comes off as X and makes us feel like X and we'd like to find a better way to communicate"

I don't know if that is the right response or if it would even work but at this point I'm considering that his behaviour is having a significant impact on our well being and day to day life and needs to change.
Any advice would be appreciated as I don't want things to escalate to a point where he needs rehousing.

TLTR:
My Partners teenage brother lives with us and is not looking after their own basic needs and is frequently behaving aggressively/disrespectfully towards my partner, and is saying nasty things about me behind my back but being nice to my face and we don't know how to help him or how to put down healthy boundaries.

OP posts:
Etinoxaurus · 19/12/2021 21:02

You’re amazing. Your insight and awareness and what you’re doing. But you shouldn’t be doing it. You’re too young.
If you were my daughter I’d be desperately worried about you, and want you to walk away.

Loveagingernut · 19/12/2021 21:11

"I need this fight and I need to see that no matter how bad or big my feelings are—they won’t destroy you or me. I need you to love me even at my worst, even when it looks like I don’t love you. I need you to love yourself and me for the both of us right now. I know it sucks to be disliked and labeled the bad guy. I feel the same way on the inside, but I need you to tolerate it and get other grownups to help you. Because I can’t right now. If you want to get all of your grown up friends together and have a ‘surviving-your-teenager-support-group-rage-fest’ that’s fine with me. Or talk about me behind my back--I don’t care. Just don’t give up on me. Don’t give up on this fight. I need it..."

This! 🧡

tolerable · 19/12/2021 21:19

@Seekingsage

please check this out(will be support groups near you/online i think is gony help tremendously. www.coect.co.uk/podcasts/

Knotnowdear · 19/12/2021 21:21

Firstly, you sound amazing and very switched on. I'm 52 and still struggle with my teen. Your partner's brother really reminds me of her - she has BPD (not saying he does) but her condition makes her fear abandonment so I have to be very careful to show her that I care, maybe look after her a bit too much, to continually reinforce that I won't abandon her.

Her room is a complete state that drives me mad, she refuses to talk about or plan for the future and is a complete hypochondriac. However, due to her mental health, it's difficult to set the normal boundaries for teenagers that you are referring to. That said, my GP has said that it is important to set boundaries but I will need the help of a psychologist to do so.

We've been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist for more than 5 years and this behaviour is still there despite all of that mental health support and a LOT of medication.

So from my experience I'd go to your GP first for advice and then seek CAHMS assistance. It sounds like he's not in a great place mentally and that's going to be next to impossible to manage by yourselves. Once you start getting medical advice you'll be able to look up suspected conditions online which will arm you with more information and support to help him.

motheroflions · 19/12/2021 21:44

He needs therapy and quick. He can have these over zoom. It will be some one impartial and out of the family he can tell all his issues to. I also agree that you need to contact SS services to see what they can offer.

I don't agree that he needs babying as this is setting him false expectations and boundaries. You are not his parents @Seekingsage and he needs to recognise this and understand that you have given him a safe space. He needs to understand he can not transfer his anger at his parents at you.

He is a young man with mental health issues and needs to be treated like a young man - not a child. It is not on you to let him regress.

17 year olds know when they are taking the piss. Stop taking his food and drinks up. If he screams and shouts, gets violent tell him he will have to leave. Tell him you are offering a safe space but you will not be abused in your own home.

There has to be a line - even when some one is having mental health issues because they drag every one else in with them if there is no boundaries.

SpookyScarySkeletons · 19/12/2021 21:59

[quote GetAlongWithTheVoices]I don't know what to say except here's a quote from "The Letter Your Teenager Can't Write To You"

"I need this fight and I need to see that no matter how bad or big my feelings are—they won’t destroy you or me. I need you to love me even at my worst, even when it looks like I don’t love you. I need you to love yourself and me for the both of us right now. I know it sucks to be disliked and labeled the bad guy. I feel the same way on the inside, but I need you to tolerate it and get other grownups to help you. Because I can’t right now. If you want to get all of your grown up friends together and have a ‘surviving-your-teenager-support-group-rage-fest’ that’s fine with me. Or talk about me behind my back--I don’t care. Just don’t give up on me. Don’t give up on this fight. I need it..."

gretchenschmelzer.com/parents-corner/2015/6/23/the-letter-your-teenager-cant-write-you[/quote]
Thank you so so much for sharing this.

I have just read the full piece and am sobbing!

Hankunamatata · 19/12/2021 22:04

www.barnardos.org.uk/get-help

try this to search in your area. They have been amazing for my family

GettingOnWithTheWrapping · 19/12/2021 22:20

It's something I found really helpful and lovely. I'm sorry it made you cry though 🧡

GetAlongWithTheVoices · 19/12/2021 22:21

Sorry I posted with the Christmas name change 😊

Voice0fReason · 19/12/2021 23:08

You are trying to be so kind by taking him in, but you are both so woefully ill-equipped to parent this young man.
He has experienced trauma - that needs specialised support.
I can't see how this can end well for any of you.
If you really want to try, then look up the National Association of Therapeutic Parents and learn everything you can from them.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/12/2021 15:01

He needs therapy and quick

There is practically no such thing on the NHS.

Etinoxaurus · 20/12/2021 22:57
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