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Another Xmas party pic has emerged

117 replies

MamDancer · 14/12/2021 21:16

In the Mirror.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

Is this the final nail in Johnson's Premiership? The Tory revolt earlier today, now this!

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OverTheRubicon · 14/12/2021 22:38

@LoveB

Interesting that none of them were afraid of catching covid. And this was before vaccines! And then the next day telling us to stay at home so we don't catch covid and die.

Why were they not afraid of catching it, but telling us we should be?

Because many of them are (as seen here) believe that they are not only too important for rules, but too important for viruses. Many are also quite young, and probably say exactly the same things you saw a lot of on here at the time - 'I spend the whole day with my colleagues [to do a job, working with a few of them, mostly at a distance] why can't I have a party with them [for leisure purposes, talking loudly at close range with multiple people, possibly snogging]?' 'I'm healthy/young, it's the vulnerable who should be locking down, not me'.

I find it frustrating when people decide to seek some deep conspiracy, when it can be entirely explained by the same egotism and shortsightedness we've seen throughout. Ockham's Razor and all that.

BigGreen · 14/12/2021 22:41

FFS they have all been at it! What hypothetical twats.

Sparklingbrook · 14/12/2021 22:43

It doesn't look at all raucous. Confused

Ekofisk · 14/12/2021 22:46

@Franklin12

People are scraping around now. Whilst I am not his greatest fan this is nothing to do with Boris. The Mirror is making itself look rather foolish here.
So Johnson, as leader of the Conservative Party and PM of a government that passed legislation banning social gatherings, has no responsibility whatsoever for what his own high profile party members are getting up to in Party HQ with respect to social gatherings that’s in direct contravention of that legislation?

Sure.

Offmyfence · 14/12/2021 22:50

@underneaththeash

I can't see Boris in that..
Pompous git probably didn't get an invite, but he would've known it was going on and that he was just not interesting enough to be invited!
redbigbananafeet · 14/12/2021 22:50

@MamDancer

In the Mirror.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

Is this the final nail in Johnson's Premiership? The Tory revolt earlier today, now this!

As bananas as this might seem, despite googling this is the first video of photo I've seen. So thank You! X
BBCONEANDTWO · 14/12/2021 22:54

I don't understand - at that time - everyone was terrified of catching Covid. Why were they not worried about it - did they know something we didn't/don't.

SickAndTiredAgain · 14/12/2021 23:03

@BBCONEANDTWO

I don't understand - at that time - everyone was terrified of catching Covid. Why were they not worried about it - did they know something we didn't/don't.
I don’t know anyone around my age (late twenties) who was terrified. Most people were barely concerned, apart from wanting to avoid self-isolation. I’m sure there were some, but no, “everyone” was not terrified of catching it, not by a long way. Most followed the rules anyway though, because they understood that despite not being personally concerned, there was a bigger picture.
hufflepuffnstuff · 14/12/2021 23:07
  1. I agree with previous posters who said this doesn't look at all "raucous", even in the context of the time. They shouldn't have stupidly broken their own rules, but overhyping it with inaccurate descriptions comes across as desperate.
  1. No, not everyone was terrified of Covid last Christmas. Plenty of people broke the rules throughout, mixed, mingled, and had their own parties. I'm not excusing it, but it doesn't mean these people "knew something" or that this is proof of some conspiracy. They simply didn't see Covid as a big enough of a personal threat to deter them from having a party, like so many others.
lljkk · 14/12/2021 23:08

I ❤️ Pippa Crerar

drowningwitch · 14/12/2021 23:13

I don't think so, no. It is interesting that they would choose to be in a photo at that point, though. It suggests that they really did see their reality as being a world apart from that of the rest of the public, which I suspect it is. But a majority of the voting public seems to enoy the idea of being governed by a group of people whom they consider above them.

An aside: I was delighted that the OP uses "Johnson", rather than "Boris". Even now, after years of exposure to him, it continues to slightly irritate me that his marketing campaign has been so successful at brainwashing people into calling him "Boris", which seems to absolve him from his actual responsibilities as a mayor, a minister, a prime minister etc., and makes us more prepared to accept the many facets of his idiotic behaviour.

reesewithoutaspoon · 14/12/2021 23:16

Aound this time students were being fined 10k for breaking covid rules. Will all those in the picture also be issued with fines? If not, how can they justify not repealing the ones that were handed out.

FranceTeam · 14/12/2021 23:17

Practically everyone broke the rules, I can’t be excited about some civil servants working in a high pressure environment having a few drinks and nibbles.

repottingthescabious · 14/12/2021 23:19

@user1471505494

Where was Boris in that picture
Or the cheese and wine Xmas Grin
drowningwitch · 14/12/2021 23:20

@BBCONEANDTWO

I don't understand - at that time - everyone was terrified of catching Covid. Why were they not worried about it - did they know something we didn't/don't.
I would be surpised and disappointed if young people were "terrified" of catching covid at that point. For a generally young, healthy group such as that shown in the photograph, they had little to worry about in terms of either (a) hospitalisation or (b) death. They may have had some of the longer lasting symptoms to worry about, but even these are less common in young healthy people. There is no conspiracy there whatsoever. No secret knowledge. Just the same data you can download from PHE daily. Probability of getting serious illness due to covid for a young healthy person = low. Probability of getting serious illness due to covid for a older person with high weight and/or other existing health issues = high.

That these people might have then given it to someone else - an older or less healthy relative... well, that's a different issue. But 20-somethings living in London may not visit older people much. When I was that age living in a big city, I simply didn't spend my time visiting old folks.

Okivehadenough · 14/12/2021 23:20

I'll bite. I'm a conservative voter. None of these photos have made me change my position. Nearly every other fucker in this country has broke covid rules in some way. I really can't be bothered with all this hysterical fuss.

JaniceBattersby · 14/12/2021 23:21

@HoardingSamphireSaurusThey didn’t publish the pictures then because they didn’t have them.

There was also a privacy issue, which was only over-ridden by the public interest test which grew in importance after the reaction to The Mirror’s first story. You should listen to Pippa Crerar and Paul Brady on last week’s R4 MediaShow if you want to know more about why this all came out now.

As for it not being ‘real news’, it’s had major repercussions for the Conservative party, and has been discussed by people across the entire spectrum of society, including abroad, for weeks. That’s literally what news is. This story is both in the public interest and interesting to the public.

News can never be unbiased because it’s written by real people who all have their own opinions and prejudices. But what we do have in this country is a really vibrant, rigorous media that covers the entire political spectrum, from Novara way over there on the left to Guido on the right, and everything in between.

This kind of story is exactly what the media should be covering: something that those in power are desperate for us plebs not to see.

2389Champ · 14/12/2021 23:28

@BBCONEANDTWO

I don't understand - at that time - everyone was terrified of catching Covid. Why were they not worried about it - did they know something we didn't/don't.
This is the question I keep asking myself.

We have this supposedly lethal virus that’s a threat to civilisation as we know it - well, that’s what we’re told - but all those in the know and have access to top secret information about how serious it is, have been behaving like it’s just another bout of flu. They’ve carried in partying, meeting their lovers, visiting their second homes/elderly relatives, taking their children on trips when we were all supposed to be locking down.

Either we’ve been told a load of porkies about the whole thing and hysteria has been unnecessarily whipped up, or their arrogance is even worse than we even suspected and rules are only for little people.

julieca · 14/12/2021 23:28

Terrible. They pass laws to stop us all mixing and give out large fines, but do something totally different themselves. They treat us like stupid plebs.

DaisyNGO · 14/12/2021 23:31

@BBCONEANDTWO

I don't understand - at that time - everyone was terrified of catching Covid. Why were they not worried about it - did they know something we didn't/don't.
No, not at all Why would everyone be terrified? Look at the figures. drowningwitch is spot on.

I'm puzzled there are photos though, can't be that hard to stop that. I suppose in that line of work, you just vanish for a bit and reappear.

DaisyNGO · 14/12/2021 23:32

@julieca

Terrible. They pass laws to stop us all mixing and give out large fines, but do something totally different themselves. They treat us like stupid plebs.
It's working. London was very quiet today. Lunch out a week ago and again today - empty restaurants.

We get fined for breaking rules, they don't.

Technosaurus · 14/12/2021 23:35

@Okivehadenough "nearly every other fucker has broke covid rules"

This may or may not be true, but was "nearly every other fucker" in charge of making said rules in the first place?

Excusing that is why the rest of us hate Tories and their voters - a level of exceptionalism that we cannot comprehend. As long as you're ok with that you will always come across as thick twats who are ok with being taken for a ride by those you voted for.

julieca · 14/12/2021 23:39

No not everyone has broken rules. And even when they say they have, they often haven't. People say they broke rules in the first lockdown by going out for walks twice a day when there was never any formal guidance or laws restricting that.

TerriblyNaice · 14/12/2021 23:44

To my suspicious mind it appears that somebody has been photoshopped out. The female's legs look as though the clone tool has been used badly and there's something about the way that small group are standing.
Probably my imagination.

Another Xmas party pic has emerged
LoveGrooveDanceParty · 14/12/2021 23:46

How long will it take for people to realise there is no nail in any coffins for the Tories?

They will just go on and on, because the majority of people keep voting for them, regardless of how inept and/or shit they are?

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