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To think removing Analogue phone systems by 2025 is too soon?

137 replies

bigbluebus · 01/12/2021 12:19

I know many on MN don't have phones plugged into landlines but many of us who are in slightly older demographic probably still do as our older relatives like to ring on landlines and also mobile reception is not always brilliant in more rural areas.

We were one of the unfortunate households who suffered recent power loss for 3 days and nights in freezing temperatures so keeping in touch with elderly neighbours and relatives was quite important. Of course our cordless phones don't work without power so, as advised, we have an old phone which plugs into a phone socket in such circumstances.

BT plan to get rid of this option by 2025 and landline services will only be available via broadband. As far as I'm aware the plan is to bring in a cheap basic broadband option for those who have no broadband service. But broadband needs electricity. So all those elderly and vulnerable who only have an 'electrically powered' phone line will be totally without any means of communication if the power goes off and they don't have a mobile phone.

The last 3 days here have taught us that the powers that be don't give a shiny sh*te about those on their supposed welfare list in times of crisis. My elderly neighbour (all electric) was not offered any assistance by the energy company and if she had lost her phone line too it would have made life even more difficult.

Whilst we are rural enough to have so many overhead power lines that the storm caused major disruption we are far from being out in the sticks. I feel that once again those not in towns/cities are not being considered in the name of 'progress'.

I appreciate there will come a time when the 'new' older generation will all have mobile phones but don't think that time is here yet nor will it be by 2025.

And don't get me started on the all electric agenda being pushed in the name of global warming - without our open fire we would have been frozen at the weekend!

OP posts:
mogsrus · 01/12/2021 16:51

@mogsrus

BT announced the change over 2017 so that’s 8 yrs of work behind the scenes already
Meant to have written. 8 yrs by the switch over of 2025
RubyTuesday70 · 01/12/2021 16:52

We're rural, with an intermittent mobile signal that usually involves hanging out of an upstairs window Hmm I can't imagine not having a landline.

We've just gone onto a VOIP system at work, and it's fairly reliable to be fair but the quality of the call is unpredictable.

MintJulia · 01/12/2021 16:53

Half the third world uses cheap mobile phones with solar panel chargers. No reason why we couldn't do the same here.

mogsrus · 01/12/2021 16:57

Why is 2025 too soon.? It’s got to be done sometime when would be the right time

ponkydonkey · 01/12/2021 16:58

Yep they are going to do our small town first 😱 I personally love my landline
And we use it every day.., weird but true. Kids love it as they get calls from grandma

We also have fibre new style broadband which didn't out in the storm.

But who knows how it will end up... we didn't have analogue tv for 3 years after they phased it out and everyone had to buy sky or no tv
So I'm assuming this will be another Tory money making scheme to feed the pockets of the Robert Maxwell's of the world 😱

bigbluebus · 01/12/2021 17:02

@mogsrus

Everyone of these reply’s is negative, everything in time will improve by the very nature of the beast, don’t forget once upon a time you had to book a call to let say Australia now you dial up which today is taken for granted, everything has to change & improve otherwise we would still be living in caves. Because of so much bandwidth required, copper cables cannot cope & that is the simple truth. People have asked for faster connections so the providers have given it, sadly it will upset some people. Such is progress
In my original post I said I thought 2025 was too soon because I don't think the infrastructure will be ready for some of us, so whilst the service might improve for others, we'll be left wanting. Same happened with HD TV. We still can't get regional BBC news in HD. When local news comes on we get a red screen and an apology asking us to switch to a non HD chanel. It's been few years now. I had heard we would all be on HD by October but it still hasn't happened. We also can't get BBC local radio on digital radio. So progress is not equal to all.
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TheHateIsNotGood · 01/12/2021 17:05

The only reasons that I can think of to abandon Landlines is to save on maintenance costs and remove the posts and wires.

I always keep a plug in the socket landline phone - they don't rely on electricity is why. Always good to have a back-up where poss.

Also reliance on mobile tech is not environmentally friendly - look at all the toxic elements involved in mobile phone manufacture and where they are manufactured; not here that's for sure.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up OP, I'd not heard of this before now.

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/12/2021 17:08

Julia if we had little pocket-sized mobile wind-chargers or chargers powered by rain then I'm sure we would have no problem.

Earwigworries · 01/12/2021 17:09

We have a landline via Broadband and no mobile reception in the house - a bit if you walk up the hill for about 5 minutes . We had a 2 week period over the winter when the Broadbsnd was cut accidentally and took a while to be fixed . It was an eye opening experience and made us realise we were actually quite vulnerable

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 01/12/2021 17:09

I’m another who struggles to use my mobile at home. And we’ve just lost our power for a few days too.

It is absolutely grand having solar mobile chargers but it is no use at all having a fully charged mobile in a black spot.

Progress is marvellous. But not everywhere has reliable broadband and not everywhere has a fantastic mobile signal. Progress needs to wait until everyone catches up.

Silverswirl · 01/12/2021 17:13

I don’t want a land line but I am forced to because although we live in a busy area in the SE we barely get any mobile signal at home!
All calls are done via what’s app but you obviously can’t do that for the doctors or any businesses and making trade enquires or phoning a customer service line or call centre for the bank or mobile phone or anything! So a landline is essential for that. What am I meant to do in 2025 then? Will the mobile signal become much stronger or something?

mogsrus · 01/12/2021 17:13

@TheHateIsNotGood

The only reasons that I can think of to abandon Landlines is to save on maintenance costs and remove the posts and wires.

I always keep a plug in the socket landline phone - they don't rely on electricity is why. Always good to have a back-up where poss.

Also reliance on mobile tech is not environmentally friendly - look at all the toxic elements involved in mobile phone manufacture and where they are manufactured; not here that's for sure.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up OP, I'd not heard of this before now.

Landlines do rely on electricity, as soon as you pick the handset up it is being powered
FunnyInjury · 01/12/2021 17:28

Yes Krispy! My thought exactly 🤷‍♀️

TheSecondMrsAshwell · 01/12/2021 17:34

@malmi

Would you not rather hope for a reliable internet connection by 2025?

Hope for? No, I would like it delivered solidly before analogue is turned off.

mogsrus · 01/12/2021 17:40

[quote TheSecondMrsAshwell]@malmi

Would you not rather hope for a reliable internet connection by 2025?

Hope for? No, I would like it delivered solidly before analogue is turned off.[/quote]
As I wrote before. Analogue cannot handle the bandwidth down copper wires but in the meantime it has to be kept going in some form or other it’s all progressive

Octavia174 · 01/12/2021 17:42

@mogsrus

Why is 2025 too soon.? It’s got to be done sometime when would be the right time
Why has it "got" to be done?

Its just another example of technology that is less reliable, that many don't want, its also hugely costly, which means higher bills, they aren't doing this for our benefit.

Funny how they can find the money to move us all onto fibre but there is no money to stop pumping shit into rivers...

KrispyKale · 01/12/2021 17:43

Solar panel chargers where I live right now would not be adequate.

KrispyKale · 01/12/2021 17:49

Chargers powered by rain! That's what I need.

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/12/2021 17:52

Mogrus maybe so, but whenever there's been a power cut my plug-in landline telephone has worked.

mogsrus · 01/12/2021 17:59

For goodness sake. Copper wires cannot carry the information fast enough.all the world is going digital, copper has been with us since the dawn off time. We had dialup internet once upon a time who has that now? Internet is permanently connected, fibre is cheaper to install,and doesn’t get hot as do wires. Digital & fibre pass information at the speed of light, wire cannot do that and the switching gear in exchanges cannot keep up, the gear is outdated,,it’s over 60 yrs old

Octavia174 · 01/12/2021 18:01

@TheHateIsNotGood

Mogrus maybe so, but whenever there's been a power cut my plug-in landline telephone has worked.
Yes thats because when you pick up the handset, the line is supplied with 50v from the local exchange, so with a conventional wired handset, you don't need any electricity at your home (you do for a cordless h/s)

This has saved me a few times when there has been a power cut, i can report it! OR even report a BT internet or line fault......

Mobile reception is non existent.

Octavia174 · 01/12/2021 18:06

@mogsrus

For goodness sake. Copper wires cannot carry the information fast enough.all the world is going digital, copper has been with us since the dawn off time. We had dialup internet once upon a time who has that now? Internet is permanently connected, fibre is cheaper to install,and doesn’t get hot as do wires. Digital & fibre pass information at the speed of light, wire cannot do that and the switching gear in exchanges cannot keep up, the gear is outdated,,it’s over 60 yrs old
Well its not really, main exchanges went digital (PCM) in late 80s and have been upgraded to fibre backbone more recently, only the local network is copper and even that is only from a local cab for most places.

TXE4 went out years ago... twisted pair do not get hot.

No one is objecting to FTTP, what they object to is losing the ability to make calls in the event of a power failure.

mogsrus · 01/12/2021 18:06

That is absolutely correct, 50 volts is supplied via the exchange that’s why the work in a power cut.

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/12/2021 18:16

Thank you mogrus for confirming why LLs are very useful, as you quite rightly state "they work in a power cut".

Thank you also for your knowledge-based advice as you seem to know what you're talking about.

mogsrus · 01/12/2021 18:20

Thank you for those words of encouragement. My daughter had to ghost write a article for her company & it was published in a specialised publication for the phone industry but having said that, my background is electronics etc