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Buying a house

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Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 10:40

I've name changed for this but am going to try to use numbers that are as close to the true ones as I can so that you get an idea.

This is a thread about my perception of other people, who, if I'm being rational, have their own stuff going on and are quite possibly just having a secretly bad time. Who knows.

Anyway, I am late thirties. Two small children who I had later than most over concerns over money /housing.

I have a small number of friends who demographically are similar to me but are scattered around the country.

Everyone is married and working - except me, with young children I'm not working.

DH and I live in a small city centre 2 bed apartment with no garden. Have done for years and years having bought the place just after the 2008 crash that put me out of a job at the time. (So sort of karma - lost my job but cheaper housing)

In the intervening years all of my friends have bought 4 bed homes. One bought a 3 bed but is in the process of building works to increase its size.

Over the years DH and I have saved and all his grandparents have died in that time too, so he received a bit of money from there. So we now have in the bank 190k. We don't live in London and aren't looking to.

Our flat has been valued at around 300k and the mortgage is 70k.

That gives us a budget of 420k.

I thought wow that's loads but the market has changed and that will buy us a modest 3 bed home.

Anyway. Friends all bought years ago at prices such as
220
300
350

But because they bought a few years ago, their homes are now worth more than we could even afford.

In looking to buy, one friend asked my my budget, which I balked at. I gave a ball park figure and she told me I was over stretching and I should be looking at stuff for 250. She pulled up some homes I wasn't happy with. Stuff not as nice as her house.

She's become quite absent, and it feels as though she's checked out of the friendship.

But other friends too, asking about houses were looking at, and "have you got a photo".. inevitability people find out the price and seem to judge. Things like "oh right I see". Very small comments.

I expect I'm being paranoid right?

But people whose houses on paper are worth more than I can afford find the situation weird. And I just want to say - well butt out then.

I don't know, I don't need any practical advice here I don't think but it would be great to hear your experiences.

There may well be something that I've overlooked who knows - ask any questions if you think it's relevant.

I suppose the point is, our home has appreciated by a % but the home we want to buy has done the same. Its the savings and inheritance that puts us on the next rung.

Why do I feel guilty?

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Bluntness100 · 28/11/2021 11:42

So basically they want to be your friend when you live in a two bedroom flat but will drop you becayse you buy a house that’s not as nice as theirs?

I suspect there is another reason they are dropping you op.

MaskingForIt · 28/11/2021 11:42

@Mynameisnew

I wouldn't say we're trying to keep up.

We live in a two bed apartment with no garden and we have two children.

We just need a family home.

The issue is my friends are in the process of dropping me.

I'm probably just a boring friend. 😶

If this thread is anything to go by, you probably are!
titchy · 28/11/2021 11:44

You're friends aren't in the process of dropping you though Confused One who lives in a large house, who seems to think you should stay in a small house, is being flaky, but she doesn't sound that nice if she needs to big herself up by keeping you down.

Are you focussing too much on this? Analysing the minutiae of conversations?

Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 11:45

Yes probably :(

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ILoveHuskies · 28/11/2021 11:46

I think people get funny and competitive about houses when everyone starts buying.

We upsized to, what was for us, our dream house 2 years ago, and got a few odd, prickly comments from "friends" . Sort of back handed compliments type things

KeyboardWorriers · 28/11/2021 11:47

Your friends are dropping you because you are buying a house?
Because you are buying a smaller house than them but they were happy to be your friend when you lived in a flat?
Because you have lots of money now and keep going on about it ?

It really doesn't make sense.

Maybe they just aren't that interested in your house buying process? I certainly don't remember telling my friends much other than the address of the new house once we bought it! I definitely didn't give them a blow by blow account of our financial situation.

Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 11:48

@KeyboardWorriers

Your friends are dropping you because you are buying a house? Because you are buying a smaller house than them but they were happy to be your friend when you lived in a flat? Because you have lots of money now and keep going on about it ?

It really doesn't make sense.

Maybe they just aren't that interested in your house buying process? I certainly don't remember telling my friends much other than the address of the new house once we bought it! I definitely didn't give them a blow by blow account of our financial situation.

Keep going on about it?

Er, no.

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Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 11:49

@ILoveHuskies

I think people get funny and competitive about houses when everyone starts buying.

We upsized to, what was for us, our dream house 2 years ago, and got a few odd, prickly comments from "friends" . Sort of back handed compliments type things

Thank you!
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KeyboardWorriers · 28/11/2021 11:50

So why do you think they are "dropping" you?

Are you sure they aren't just busy with their own lives?

sst1234 · 28/11/2021 11:50

OP you seem to be overthinking it. Whatever ‘it’ is. All a bit confused that you feel judged for having a small deposit but at the same time feel guilty for having such a large deposit. Which is it?

hotmeatymilk · 28/11/2021 11:53

If the issue is friendships fading, post about that.

The housing market and your good fortune in having £420k cash to buy a house is entirely separate – and yeah, it’s a bit gutting to realise buying now means spending twice as much for half the amount but, honestly: read the room. £420k and no mortgage is stuff most people can only dream of.

Ditch the weird friends, stop competing, be grateful, grow as a person, perhaps you’ll get better friends.

Funnylittlefloozie · 28/11/2021 11:55

Your friends sound really really weird, but in the kindest possible way, so do you.

You've got a cracking deposit, so just look for a house you like. You don't actually have to tell people your budget, or indeed, ask their opinions.

Your friends situations are entirely their own affairs. Are you taking this one friend's attempt to rain on your parade, and extrapolating that out to "all your friends are criticising "?

Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 12:01

@hotmeatymilk

If the issue is friendships fading, post about that.

The housing market and your good fortune in having £420k cash to buy a house is entirely separate – and yeah, it’s a bit gutting to realise buying now means spending twice as much for half the amount but, honestly: read the room. £420k and no mortgage is stuff most people can only dream of.

Ditch the weird friends, stop competing, be grateful, grow as a person, perhaps you’ll get better friends.

We do need a mortgage. It's other posters who said I was mortgage free, not me.
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Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 12:03

@KeyboardWorriers

So why do you think they are "dropping" you?

Are you sure they aren't just busy with their own lives?

You could be right.
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Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 12:06

@Funnylittlefloozie

Your friends sound really really weird, but in the kindest possible way, so do you.

You've got a cracking deposit, so just look for a house you like. You don't actually have to tell people your budget, or indeed, ask their opinions.

Your friends situations are entirely their own affairs. Are you taking this one friend's attempt to rain on your parade, and extrapolating that out to "all your friends are criticising "?

Yes you could be right but I think we all do that sometimes in life.

Thanks for your perspective:-)

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FinallyHere · 28/11/2021 12:13

Why do I feel guilty ?

What do you gain from feeling guilty? If 'feeling guilty' isn't working for you, isn't helpful, how about stopping it?

You have already started, by noticing that you a feeling guilty. Any time you catch your thoughts going that way, remind yourself you don't do that any more.

Not easy, of course, but simple.

FinallyHere · 28/11/2021 12:15

and then judge me for it

You cannot really be sure that they are judging. Maybe they have just lost interest. Maybe they want an idea of what is happening to the housing market.

You are putting the meaning 'they are judging me' into the situation.

How is that working for you ?

GetOffTheTableMabel · 28/11/2021 12:17

I think it’s weird and inappropriate to ever talk about sums of money with friends. I wouldn’t discuss our household income, mortgage, rent, salary increase or even weekly food bill with friends (or family, for that matter).
I don’t want to know those details about anybody else either and I feel a bit uncomfortable if people ever start naming numbers near me because it’s so unnecessary and therefore they must have an agenda and I am not interested in such weirdness.

Brakebackcyclebot · 28/11/2021 12:22

Two bits of advice really.

  1. Stop comparing to others.
  2. Work out what you can afford, where you want to yo be and refocus the energy you are currently wasting on this confusion and comparing. Put your energy into researching, looking, seeing houses and buy one!

We wrd all different. We all gave different priorities. Stol discussing with your friends. Discuss with your husband and make a decision for YOUR FAMILY.

VividGemini · 28/11/2021 12:27

Isn't it also about this

I have a small number of friends who demographically are similar to me but are scattered around the country

If a friend said they wanted to buy a nice family home near me for 420k I'd tell them to pull their head out of their arse and wait until they had 700k. But if they said they wanted to move to a cheaper area it would be different.

Mynameisnew · 28/11/2021 12:31

I haven't volunteered any financial information to anyone. People asked to see a picture of the house we wanted, the price is written underneath.

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VividGemini · 28/11/2021 13:04

@Mynameisnew

I haven't volunteered any financial information to anyone. People asked to see a picture of the house we wanted, the price is written underneath.
I thought you gave a ball park figure to one friend? It sounds like your friends think you're overstretching for your area/budget
YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 28/11/2021 13:12

My sister is a first class snob, lives in a £1m + house and will definitely turn her nose up even further when we hopefully downsize into a bungalow next year.
I really couldn’t give a toss what others think, I have never been competitive about possessions.
My priorities are clearly different to hers, so why worry!

GreenLunchBox · 28/11/2021 13:16

Why can't you just get a larger mortgage? I think that's your dilemma?! But I'm not sure as your posts are all muddled Confused

mumda · 28/11/2021 13:23

Having no mortgage is one of the best things in the world.

Big houses take more heating and I think we're starting to see that they might be more unpopular.

Rightmove doesn't sort by EPC yet.