Did Stephen Nolan go where nobody has dared go before??

[BlueTouchPaper]

That's it, really. I just listened to the podcasts. Everyone should listen. Most women I know are totally unaware that men with penises could be in a changing room near you
Anytime now.

It's regrettable that Nolan is a man in the sense everyone knows that's given him an advantage over the numerous women who have raised these issues before - but it's a good investigation and there's no point getting tied up in knots about the many and various injustices and losing sight of the fact that he's highlighted a very serious issue in relation to the supposed impartiality of the BBC.

On a wider note - I have never been comfortable with government giving money to charities so the charity can lobby - not for Brake, not for Stonewall or anyone really - in my mind taking cash from government destroys a charity's independence and true charity status.

No charities still need to be able to lobby. The Conservatives have kept trying to stop this happening, but without it, women charities cant lobby for example about low rate of rape convictions, sentencing guidelines, etc.

Thanks for the link. I've been meaning to listen to it of a while. I got up to episode three whilst doing the ironing this morning. I was irritated by the "both sides as bad as each other" part and a number of other remarks which made the journalists sound quite uninformed about some things but as it's gone on I think it's quite clever and certainly a good starting point for anyone who knows little to nothing about how company policies are changing in breach of the law and without challenge.

I'm also bloody annoyed that the issues women having been raising for years is being treated as news because men are saying it. Women have been referring to "Stonewall law" for at least 4 years, which is when I really started paying attention to this issue, and has probably been in use much longer. Nothing in the podcast is news to the women who read the feminist board.

@BlueTouchPaper

No worries. smile I listened to all ten episodes over a couple of evenings last week. There wasn't really anything new to me but the story is well presented and eye opening if you weren't aware of how far Stonewall have infiltrated the BBC, OfCom, the Scottish Government... So good to see the sunlight on this

I listened to it with my husband, over the dinner table. I suppose I forced it on
him, in a sense, because it just would not be something he had ever heard of, or would listen to. I had to search it out on bbc sounds and because the sound on my phone is tinny, he very valiantly transferred it to bluetooth on my dab radio. Well, who knew I could do that?

He could not believe his ears!!

The content threw him. He had no idea this was going on. At all.
Predictable reaction. Oh, it's not important. It's just a few radicals.
Then it dawned on him , the little things that have been creeping in.His company have been requesting that he give his credentials. He/him/they. He has ignored it thus far .Didn't give it a second thought because it was ludicrous. Which it is.

But this has opened his eyes,, that this madness is becoming widespread and worming its way into every corner of our culture.

Every adult needs to listen to this.

Twin souls is one that even the editor of Pink News couldnt explain.

That's like my DH when we watched the channel 4 show about the Tavistock clinic. He couldn't understand what my problem was and was like well you're a feminist so this the result of that (don't ask how he came to that conclusion because I don't know) anyway he sat down with me and watched it and yeah now he totally agrees with me.

@FeminismTippingPoint

You can contact the school regarding a number of things: do they have the correct protected rights listed on their policies (ie sex and gender reassignment and not gender or gender identity) and what teaching occurs in RSE around gender and transgender (you have a right as a parent to this information). There's also toilets, residentials and changing rooms - Stonewall say that these facilities can be used by the gender that the children identify as and not by biological sex. Some schools are changing the pronouns and names of children (when they identify as trans or non-binary) without parents' knowledge, which is a huge safeguarding issue.

Safe Schools Alliance and TransgenderTrend are very helpful with all this. Challenge the school and get other parents involved too.

@Igmum

I agree OP, this is science denying madness that has permeated the heart of society. Even worse is the way we are encouraging children to do themselves permanent harm. Nolan series 2 please

Nolan has been addressing GC issues on his radio ulster show too. The other day he did a piece on legislation that was drafted here about period poverty that didn't use the word women or girls once.

@BloodinGutters

Em, actually you’ll find the feminism boards here were ‘going there’ well over a decade now. Many of the posters we owe that to were banned by MN for questioning what Nolan did.

Many women have ‘gone there’ publicly on Twitter or You Tube like magdelana, or MSM journalists gave done opinion pieces on this for 5yrs+ like Janice Turner, or politicians like liz truss and baroness Nicholson have been ‘going there’ for a long time, as have organisations like transgender trend or safe schools alliance of lgb alliance or sex matters have all ‘been going there’ and then there’s the women whose lives are threatened and jobs are ruined by ‘going there’ like Kathleen Stock or Maya Forstarter or Keira Bell and others who have been ‘going there’ publicly and through the courts for years.

YANBU to think it’s an incredible and timely podcast, but you would be unreasonable to think his piece of work sprang up from a vacuum.

You're right, I think it does help that there is a BBC journalist who is actually willing to investigate and write about this though.

'Good - shame MN are so selective about what gets hidden away - AIBU is jam packed full of stuff that could be elsewhere but they leave alone because.....well who knows?'

Because people report GC posts. #nodebate remember?

@julieca

No charities still need to be able to lobby. The Conservatives have kept trying to stop this happening, but without it, women charities cant lobby for example about low rate of rape convictions, sentencing guidelines, etc.

No harm in lobbying - but taking cash from government in order to lobby government - step too far IMHO.

Loads of charities would collapse if they could never get any government grants.

@julieca

Loads of charities would collapse if they could never get any government grants.

Then they are not proper charities.

Only the big national charities or charities that only have volunteers, can survive just on donations. You need to be able to have a big advertising budget to attract enough donations, or only need tiny amounts to run.

Then they are not proper charities

^This

taking cash from government in order to lobby government

Also it's the taxpayers' cash. Taxpayers are funding this without realising, not the government

Womens Aid is not a proper charity then. Southall Black Sisters is not a proper charity then. Rape Crisis is not a proper charity then.
I don't think you understand how charities work.

@SmellyOldOwls

'Good - shame MN are so selective about what gets hidden away - AIBU is jam packed full of stuff that could be elsewhere but they leave alone because.....well who knows?'

Because people report GC posts. #nodebate remember?

Hahaha yes.

#actuallyfuckingshitloadsofdebate

Charities taking public funds and still lobbying government on their issues are fine.

But it depends where the money comes from- schools are legally required under the education act to remain politically neutral. They should never have been paying a partisan political lobby group. Any regulatory body should also be neutral.

Also- no charity should be taking public funds and forcing organisations to sign NDA’s. Transparency matters.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack on the narrow question of charity funding by taxpayers. @julieca I know EXACTLY how charities work, thanks.

MN allow a huge number of threads (that technically really shouldn't be on AIBU) to stay here because they are aware that AUBU and Chat are the two biggest generators of footfall on here. They know to keep stoking the AIBU/Chat fires.

But they also have a beady eye on their advertising revenue and will swiftly move any potential 'damaging' threads elsewhere.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer
See….I reckon there are internet forums for racist people and homophobic people (and actual transphobic people) and incels and ISIS, and do you know what…I don’t go on there, I don’t want to give them the traffic, ive no interest in reading anything they have to say

People see what they want to see. On a Brexit thread on here the other day, someone said that unless your personal political views are to the right of Hitler’s, then MN is mostly full of right-wing people and on a par with far-right websites

^^ Sorry, it was a Labour/Conservative thread, not Brexit

@SoniaFouler

^^ Sorry, it was a Labour/Conservative thread, not Brexit

And thats the thing isnt it…you literally can’t argue with stupid 😀

Charities taking public funds and still lobbying government on their issues are fine.

But it depends where the money comes from- schools are legally required under the education act to remain politically neutral. They should never have been paying a partisan political lobby group. Any regulatory body should also be neutral.

Also- no charity should be taking public funds and forcing organisations to sign NDA’s. Transparency matters.

Exactly. Stonewall were insisting that public organisations couldn't reply to FOIs because of their "commercial interests". Really inappropriate.

@lubeybooby

OP your post reads like the same kind of mad satire Chris Morris used to do

YABU along with the 85% of other brainwashed, groomed, recruited mn'ers in this mad transphobic echo chamber of hate and fear

You are probably not aware but use of the word 'grooming' usually gets your post deleted.

Now that is mad.