Aibu to think some should pay more?

[Ohfurflipsake]

Going on holiday next summer. Group of us. 4 adults 4 kids. Kids will share rooms in 2s. Adults all need own rooms, all single women.

How do you divide the cost? Total price divided by 8 so price pp? Or should it be price per room? Rooms vary massively.... One has four poster and an en suite and another is tiny with two little single beds.

I just want it to be fair. What would be reasonable?

So there's 6 bedrooms to be used. Price divided by 6

W+2k pays 1/6
W pays 1/3

Re rooms, what actually is there?
Two single beds in a small room is a kids room. Is there something else similar?

You say one is a 4 poster but what's between the tiny box and the 4 poster?

I think for the adults you need to draw lots

W+2k pays 1/6
W pays 1/3

Have you mixed those up? A third is more than a sixth…

Alt if the women without kids say "No no, we'll just split it in 4" then they get first pick on the rooms

Doing it just by bedrooms isn't really right as there'll be bigger "communal" rooms in a larger home, i.e. kitchen, living rooms, etc., and probably more facilities, maybe a pool or games room for a 6 bed house as opposed to much smaller/fewer facilities in a 1 or 2 bedroom holiday home. So the single people are probably getting better facilities by virtue of being in a bigger holiday home. If that's the case, they should be paying more than 1/6th if based on bedrooms alone.

Other factors have to come into play though. Such as anyone with a much bigger bedroom or with an ensuite needs to pay a premium for that, if the children's bedrooms are small, then perhaps they should be discounted slightly if doing it on a "per bedroom" basis.

I don't think anyone can give a definitive answer without actually knowing the respective room sizes, common facilities, bathrooms/ensuites, etc. Even if all bedrooms were identical, you'd have arguments about whether to share "per person" or "per room", so if they're different, then that's an added dimension.

For me...
Kids pay half.
Person who organises gets dibs on the room.

Per bedroom makes the most sense sense, which in this case is also the same as kids paying 50% of the adults since they’ll be 2 to a room rather than 1. Smallest rooms should be allocated to the kids. Adults draw lots for the remaining rooms to keep it fair. I wouldn’t offer the option to pay more for the big room as it invites too much interpretation of what the extra space is worth, it makes recalculating everyone’s share tricky and it’ll be awkward if more than 1 person wants it.

Even if all bedrooms were identical, you'd have arguments about whether to share "per person" or "per room", so if they're different, then that's an added dimension.

That’s an easy situation. Identical rooms you obviously split it per room.

@PurpleDaisies

W+2k pays 1/6 W pays 1/3

Have you mixed those up? A third is more than a sixth…

Yes, it isn't some grudge against the women not taking a kid. I reduced the fraction wrong.

W+2k pays 2/6
W pays 1/6

Per room.

So each parent pays for a third and the other two adults pay a sixth each.

Kids get the small rooms, because the child free women are sharing the living room etc with the kids.

I should be done per room, or fraction of a room.

So two people in a room pay half each, a person in the room pays a whole. If a parent/ parents had their own room and child is sharing with one other, they pay a room and a half.

Divide by 8. Rooms do straws

Talking about it with the adults would be fair to start with.
You need to know what everyone's ideas are before you start running complicated Excel formulae!

See, I might choose a tiny room over a fancy en suite because it seems to be the most quiet, NOT that I'm trying to save a buck - I wouldn't want people to think I was trying to get away with paying the least.

Ridiculously unfair for a child in a shared room to pay the same as an adult with a room to themselves.50% per child is the only fair way. Why on earth would you expect children to subsidise the single adults?

Why are bedrooms so important?

Hypothetically - what if this was a caravan holiday and one of the single women was sleeping on the fold out bed in the lounge? By your reckoning, she'd get the holiday free as she has NO room of her own so shouldn't have to pay anything.

However, she's still benefiting from the lovely kitchen, the hot tub, the onsite entertainment venue, the experience of being on the seafront - or whatever the benefits are.

A group of people in a holiday cottage aren't just paying for their bedroom - they're paying for the overall accommodation, the cost of which will have been dependant on how many people the accommodation needed to hold.

And the children whether 5 or 25 will have impacted that overall accompdation size needed in the same way as any adult.

How you all arrange yourselves within the accomodation is irrelevant. The fact is the accommodation only cost £x because it is big enough for 8.

Everyone should pay equally, per head.

When I go away with my three friends, we always chose somewhere with four bedrooms as we like to have our own space. Inevitably this means one persons gets a king size room and en-suite , while someone ends up with a single bed. We draw lots as it's the only fair way really.

So most people think kids pay 50% adult price and names in hat for the big room unless someone wants to pay extra for it?

The kids thing sounds fair (Personally I am sick of paying for others' children), but for the disparity in rooms -

Could you say - take 50% of the cost of the rooms (once you've taken away the cost of the children's rooms) - everyone pays the same, then adjust up & down for the other 50% ? So that the medium rooms the standard equal split, the big room is 20% more, and the tiny room 20% less?

Or something like that ...

@BurntO

Divide by 8. Rooms do straws

This would only be fair if all rooms available and everyone has possibility of sharing. Pay per room and draw straws for which room seems much fairer

Divide by 8 surely and the adults pay their kids share. Otherwise the adults without kids are paying more than they should be

Allocate a cost to each bedroom:

Double Room with 4 poster bed and en suite: £150
Large Double Room with Double bed £130
Small Double Room with Double bed £120
Large Single room with single bed £100
Small Single room with single bed £90
Bunk Room for 2 kids - £120
Room with 2 single beds for 2 kids - £120

If everyone wants the 4 poster... then you draw straws but keep the price differential.

Whatever you decide... there will be someone who is not happy!!

My sisters used to try and make single adults contribute to the costs of their kids, and it used to infuriate me. Why should I pay for their kids? My husband has a chronic illness and doesn't work, and I wouldn't expect (nor would anybody offer) to pay for him. Adults should pay for their own kids and not expect to freeload off others.

Divide into equal sixths.

Single adults each pay 1/6th
Adults + 2DC each pay 1/3rd

Kids get the smallest/worst rooms.
Adults are allocated rest of rooms by drawing lots.

@SamosaSammy

Ridiculously unfair for a child in a shared room to pay the same as an adult with a room to themselves.50% per child is the only fair way. Why on earth would you expect children to subsidise the single adults?

Why are bedrooms so important?

Hypothetically - what if this was a caravan holiday and one of the single women was sleeping on the fold out bed in the lounge? By your reckoning, she'd get the holiday free as she has NO room of her own so shouldn't have to pay anything.

However, she's still benefiting from the lovely kitchen, the hot tub, the onsite entertainment venue, the experience of being on the seafront - or whatever the benefits are.

A group of people in a holiday cottage aren't just paying for their bedroom - they're paying for the overall accommodation, the cost of which will have been dependant on how many people the accommodation needed to hold.

And the children whether 5 or 25 will have impacted that overall accompdation size needed in the same way as any adult.

How you all arrange yourselves within the accomodation is irrelevant. The fact is the accommodation only cost £x because it is big enough for 8.

Everyone should pay equally, per head.

That's fine if the single women are equally happy to share a room (including bunk beds!) for their 1/8. I bet they're not though!

So dividing by 6 is fairer. Because the ones getting half a room are not getting the space or the privacy that the ones getting a full room to themselves are getting.

There is no way a child sharing the smallest bedroom should pay the same as the single woman in the ensuite.

And in your hypothetical caravan situation, you can bet your bottom dollar it'd be the kids expected to have the pull out/lesser accommodation, whilst the adults had rooms to themselves!

I think the parents of kids also need to recognise that they're probably having a cheaper holiday than if they'd gone alone with their dc.

I've had this almost exact situation recently. 8 of us going - me, dh, our 3 dc and 3 single adults.

Dh and I paid 5/8 of the holiday, the others 1/8 each. However our cost was still significantly cheaper than if we'd had the slightly smaller, similar accommodation with just the 5 of us!

Charge per room.
The ones paying for 2 rooms get a good room plus a bad room to even it out.
The ensuite should be taken by one of the parents and used by them and their children so that is 3 less people for the communal bathroom.

There's no way to assess the value on a room by room basis and trying to will be difficult

Of course there is a way. Hotels do it all the time. You’d be happy to pay the same for a small twin bedded room than you would for a large 4 poster?