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lionheart · 20/02/2022 14:39

Good to see Fiona Hill again.

edition.cnn.com/2022/02/20/politics/fiona-hill-donald-trump-joe-biden/index.html

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lionheart · 21/02/2022 18:02

Nothing learnt. Another swamp.

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AcrossthePond55 · 21/02/2022 22:35

And so it begins......

www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-21-22/index.html

Wonder if Doofus is going to make a statement in support of his bestie, Putin.

lionheart · 21/02/2022 22:46
Sad
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lionheart · 22/02/2022 12:16

edition.cnn.com/2022/02/21/politics/trump-fundraising-save-america-pac/index.html

'By any measure, Donald Trump is the best fundraiser in the Republican Party.

The latest campaign finance reports show that Trump's Save America PAC ended January with $108 million on hand, a stunning war chest for a politician who is no longer even in elected office. (By comparison, the Republican National Committee finished last month with less than half that amount $51.7 million in the bank.)
While Trump is very good at raising money, he is less willing to donate that money to Republican candidates running for office.'

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/02/2022 13:58

DonaldTrump is the best fundraiser. In the Republican Party is doubtful; for the Republican Party is almost certainly not the case.

And the Republican Party is paying his legal bills for him out of their donated money, including bills for cases against him from before he joined the party or became president, so their net loss is going to be quite considerable if he doesn't in fact hand over any of the money he has raised by fleecing the marks.

DuncinToffee · 22/02/2022 21:15

Trump says Putin's military move on Ukraine is "genius."

"Putin is now saying, 'It’s independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper... We could use that on our southern border."

"Here’s a guy who’s very savvy."

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/02/2022 21:57

www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-ukraine-invasion-justification-genius-savvy-2022-2

Source for Doofus' quote.

I bet Doofus wishes he'd thought of declaring the states of Georgia and Arizona 'independent' and then invaded them before the 2020 election.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/02/2022 22:09

Lawdy Lawdy. Apparently Fox News wants evidence that Russia has invaded Ukraine at all.

www.rawstory.com/fox-news-ukraine-russia/

PerkingFaintly · 22/02/2022 22:21

Just thought I'd join in to be glum about all this today.Sad

Not very articulate today, but I bring Brew to keep us all going.

Roussette · 22/02/2022 22:41

Good grief, just read Trumpy's comments on Russia and Ukraine.
We knew he was ignorant but this takes the biscuit. Thank god he's not in charge now

lionheart · 22/02/2022 23:05

Gin for when darkness falls ...

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/02/2022 23:36

@lionheart

Gin for when darkness falls ...
I didn't wait for darkness. It's only 3.30 here. That's close enough.
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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/02/2022 10:44

The thing to note is that on previous occasions on which America has been taken into a war (as it might be Iran, or Afghanistan) politicians of the other party from the President may have disapproved, but that didn't make them a] dispute that the other "side" was having war at all and b] vilify the President no matter what he did, as simply a continuation of automatically saying that anything he did an the USA was wrong because of who he was.

The attitude seems to be "there is no war because Ukraine has always been part of Russia, but if there is then it's none of our business and Biden is wrong to get involved not because of the rights and wrongs of the case but just because he is Biden." With a side-helping of "And anyway, Putin is always right because Trump likes him."

I find that definitely dispiriting.

Meanwhile, I've always heard Russia spoken of as "Mother Russia" when Russians were being depicted as patriotic, but I have noticed that on the news at the moment, Putin is said to be speaking of his country as "The Fatherland". Neither is a proper translation of the actual phrase used (which I think is more like to "our nurturing soil" than to either), but isn't it interesting that when they are not attacking anyone the homeland is a mother, when they are being aggressors it's a father. The English (I can't speak for the British, because I don't know this about all the four nations involved) do the same about themselves as they are now doing about the Russians: it's John Bull when there's a war on, Britannia when there isn't. I don't know whether Americans think of America as male or female, and if so, whether that changes when they are at war? Or is it always Uncle Sam?

lionheart · 23/02/2022 11:26

Countries before colonisation were often thought of as female (wild; uncultivated; virgin) ...

Uncle Sam is an interesting figure to adopt--a meat merchant and the war of 1812:

www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/uncle-sam/

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lionheart · 23/02/2022 11:27

A lot of the cartoons and memes during the Trump period took the Statue of Liberty as the inspiration--a natural choice for so many reasons.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/02/2022 11:44

I'm an eejit; of course, the Statue of Liberty. D'oh.

Meanwhile, not only is the place they actually want not working properly, TrumpTruth (which means lies) fans are getting ripped off:

www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2656771853/

AcrossthePond55 · 23/02/2022 15:40

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

The thing to note is that on previous occasions on which America has been taken into a war (as it might be Iran, or Afghanistan) politicians of the other party from the President may have disapproved, but that didn't make them a] dispute that the other "side" was having war at all and b] vilify the President no matter what he did, as simply a continuation of automatically saying that anything he did an the USA was wrong because of who he was.

The attitude seems to be "there is no war because Ukraine has always been part of Russia, but if there is then it's none of our business and Biden is wrong to get involved not because of the rights and wrongs of the case but just because he is Biden." With a side-helping of "And anyway, Putin is always right because Trump likes him."

I find that definitely dispiriting.

Meanwhile, I've always heard Russia spoken of as "Mother Russia" when Russians were being depicted as patriotic, but I have noticed that on the news at the moment, Putin is said to be speaking of his country as "The Fatherland". Neither is a proper translation of the actual phrase used (which I think is more like to "our nurturing soil" than to either), but isn't it interesting that when they are not attacking anyone the homeland is a mother, when they are being aggressors it's a father. The English (I can't speak for the British, because I don't know this about all the four nations involved) do the same about themselves as they are now doing about the Russians: it's John Bull when there's a war on, Britannia when there isn't. I don't know whether Americans think of America as male or female, and if so, whether that changes when they are at war? Or is it always Uncle Sam?

All of that is so very true!! At the run up to Pearl Harbor there were plenty of 'America 1st-ers' (not a Doofus invention at all) in Congress and in the public eye, but even if things got 'heated' the debate was still on the issue, not on the character of FDR or others who were for furthering Lend/Lease and possibly sending military support. Of course, after we were attacked, they all changed their tunes. Interestingly enough, one of the most vocal Isolationists was Charles Lindbergh, also an (in)famous anti-semite. I remember my dad (WWII vet) muttering under his breath "He's no hero" whenever 'Lucky Lindy' and his famous flight was mentioned.

I never thought much about 'gendering' the US as in Uncle Sam vs Lady Liberty. You don't much hear anyone call the US by either name, unless it's in the media or political propaganda. I think it would be more to do with the impression the speaker/organization was trying to give. If they were trying to justify sending troops they'd probably use 'Lady Liberty' to imply that we were 'freeing' an oppressed people. If they just wanted to point out 'American war superiority' they'd probably use 'Uncle Sam'. So...."'Lady Liberty' may send troops to Ukraine, but 'Uncle Sam' will kick their ass".

Aren't I right in remembering that Hitler referred to Germany as 'das Vaterland'? So, I wonder if Putin is being mistranslated with an intentional purpose, because to me a translation of 'our nurturing soil' would more naturally be 'motherland'. Not that it matters I guess, he's closer to Hitler in intent, so if they choose to use 'Fatherland' to show his intent, it's fine with me.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/02/2022 17:06

www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-23-22/index.html

Russian troops have (apparently) moved into areas of Eastern Ukraine (CNN live updates)

prettybird · 23/02/2022 17:24

If the word that Putin was using was "Родина", when I was studying Russian (many, many moons ago Blush), it was always translated as "Motherland". Iirc, it was also discussed as integral to the Russian psyche.

lionheart · 23/02/2022 20:54

From the previous link. The tension:

'The small group of US diplomats who have remained in Ukraine are continuing to sleep in Poland and then commute back to Lviv, Ukraine, State Department spokesperson Ned Price said Wednesday.'

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