Big Bird may be innocent but who can vouch for Elmo?

[lionheart]

thehill.com/homenews/senate/580426-ted-cruz-labels-big-birds-tweet-about-vaccination-propaganda

www.salon.com/2021/11/07/sesame-streets-big-bird-for-promoting-vaccine-brainwashing-children_partner/

Old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4305074-To-filibuster-or-not-to-filibuster-Biden-needs-to-get-a-move-on-before-Doofus-Duck-waddles-back-into-the-swamp-Biden-Trump-Thread-128

Andrew Feinberg @AndrewFeinberg
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'JUST NOW: A New York State judge has ordered Donald Trump,
@DonaldJTrumpJr and @IvankaTrump must testify in the civil investigation into the Trump Organization within 21 days.'

apnews.com/article/business-new-york-manhattan-donald-trump-subpoenas-0aa45e4644b13f7a3ef76d9c00491298?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter

Aha!

NY AG James@NewYorkStateAG·

52m#BREAKING: 'Today, a court ruled in our favor that Donald Trump must appear before my office as part of our investigation into his financial dealings.

No one will be permitted to stand in the way of the pursuit of justice, no matter how powerful they are.'

Well.That will be interesting.

More here as well
lawandcrime.com/high-profile/judge-refuses-to-quash-subpoenas-and-depositions-for-donald-trump-and-his-children-it-would-be-a-blatant-dereliction-of-duty-not-to-investigate/

One likes to think the walls are closing in ...

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/16/biden-rejects-trump-bid-to-keep-white-house-logs-from-capitol-riot-probe.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

The NY subpoena ruling will be appealed, I'm sure. Doofus is going to keep booting his legal losses upstairs til he gets to 'his personal' SCOTUS, although they ruled against him last month on release of documents.

As far as Biden's release of Doofus WH logs, I don't know if that is subject to legal action or if Biden, as POTUS, is the final authority. But if a lawsuit can be filed, I'm sure Doofus will file it.

Of all the documents being found in various nooks and crannies (and apparently, toilets) it makes me wonder just how many are either still out there hidden at MarALago or in Rudy's basement or were actually (and illegally) destroyed by Doofus and his henchmen. I doubt very much if whatever conscientious staffers there were at the time were able to rescue all of them.

I'm sure you're right Across. I hope that as wih everything else about Trump and co. the usual incompetence applied.

Here is a sentence with which to conjure.

'A series of blockchain transactions show that the cryptocurrency used to purchase Trump’s nonfungible token came from a wallet that belongs to the entity that originally listed the project for sale.'

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-16/who-won-the-melania-trump-nft-auction-trump-crypto-wallet-linked-to-185k-funds?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twitter-moments&utm_content=crypto

I read that it is a civil lawsuit so the Doofuses can't plead the 5th

But yes, they will appeal

This is totally amazing.

www.rawstory.com/huge-scam-ex-aide-says-375000-in-donor-money-renting-unused-office-in-trump-tower/

"I have this empty building. I know! I'll make my campaign rent it, even though they never actually use it. That way I get the rent."

I expect it's legal, but what a scam.

RawStory is a rabbit-hole; you can just move for hours from one headline to the next with your jaw dropped as you see things the Fart has been getting up to and getting away with.

@DuncinToffee

I read that it is a civil lawsuit so the Doofuses can't plead the 5th

But yes, they will appeal

They can. Although the Constitution doesn't mention civil suits in the 5th, it's widely held that the bar to self incrimination includes civil cases.

But, if a person does answer questions in a civil case, they cannot then later plead the 5th in a criminal case. Because they've already let the cat out of the bag, so to speak.

And perjury laws do apply to depositions. Which leaves Doofus et les enfants in an interesting position. Do they plead the 5th and appear guilty* or do they lie and potentially face perjury charges.

*OK, I know that pleading the 5th is not to be interpreted legally as an admission of guilt. But in reality, well, it normally is.

Unfortunately for Trump, he has previously insisted that anyone pleading the 5th amendment would only do so if they were guilty

Hoist by his own petard not that he would accept that because he sees all of this as a giant conspiracy to attack him

@prettybird

Unfortunately for Trump, he has previously insisted that anyone pleading the 5th amendment would only do so if they were guilty

Hoist by his own petard not that he would accept that because he sees all of this as a giant conspiracy to attack him

Yeah, and pleading the 5th is 'only for the Mafia'. Wonder if he'd like some ketchup for that crow pie.

Although above all, he has a way of justifying himself to himself and thus to his base.

"It's not the same because this is a witch hunt".

Hmmm. Also unfortunately for Trump, he has within the past three weeks or so stated both that he knows everything about his business and he is the only person who knows everything about his business, and that he didn't know what was going on in various parts of his business.

He really would be better off keeping his big yap shut, rather than opening his mouth in order to put his foot in it.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Hmmm. Also unfortunately for Trump, he has within the past three weeks or so stated both that he knows everything about his business and he is the only person who knows everything about his business, and that he didn't know what was going on in various parts of his business.

He really would be better off keeping his big yap shut, rather than opening his mouth in order to put his foot in it.

He really would be better off keeping his big yap shut, rather than opening his mouth in order to put his foot in it.

He can't do that. He simply doesn't have that level of self control.

That's probably a good thing in the grand scheme of things, but I do very much dislike his voice.

Shame. Shame.

Breaking news
edition.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/national-archives-trump-department-of-justice/index.html

National Archives acknowledges classified documents were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left office

And there is more

Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller

WASHINGTON (AP) — Judge rejects Trump attempt to toss conspiracy lawsuits, finds 'plausible' case former president incited Capitol riot

So many enablers:

'Running afoul of normal preservation procedures, the then-President would often tear up documents, drafts and memos after reading them and is said to have also periodically flushed papers down the toilet in the White House residence -- only to be discovered later when repairmen were summoned to fix the clogged toilets. Trump previously denied the allegations.

Other times, the former President would task aides with carrying boxes of unread memos, articles and tweet drafts aboard the presidential aircraft for him to review and then tear to shreds.'

This particular thing by Beau of the Fifth Column; it's only 3 minutes 41 seconds, and it's an interesting take on something that seems to be going on.

Or to put it another way, I do hope he is right. He's been saying for a while that Mitch McConnell may be all sorts of stinker but he is politically savvy, and his breaking with Trump might be significant.

I don't doubt he figures out which way the wind blows and acts accordingly. It will be interesting to see who follows.

I wonder who did the 'taping' here.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/national-archives-trump-classified-records_n_620ff839e4b06212585d27c3

“After the end of the Trump Administration, NARA learned that additional paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump were included in the records transferred to us,” the letter said. “Although White House staff during the Trump Administration recovered and taped together some of the torn-up records, a number of other torn-up records that were transferred had not been reconstructed by the White House.”

@lionheart

I don't doubt he figures out which way the wind blows and acts accordingly. It will be interesting to see who follows.

I wonder who did the 'taping' here.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/national-archives-trump-classified-records_n_620ff839e4b06212585d27c3

“After the end of the Trump Administration, NARA learned that additional paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump were included in the records transferred to us,” the letter said. “Although White House staff during the Trump Administration recovered and taped together some of the torn-up records, a number of other torn-up records that were transferred had not been reconstructed by the White House.”

A former WH staffer was on The View when this broke and she indicated it was "WH staffers responsible for collecting documents for destruction" and referred to them as 'people with integrity' who knew the proper procedures for document retention. Apparently they were going about their jobs and saw the documents in question in the 'trash'. She also stated, though, that Doofus tearing up documents before binning them was his SOP in his 'private business' and he just carried on once he was elected, despite being informed of the proper retention regulations. No surprise there. She said 'everyone knew' he was doing it.

There are dedicated receptacles in Govt offices for documents that need to be shredded or (as with the WH) incinerated. They are kept locked and only management had the keys. We had them in my former workplace, big bins with slots for us to slide documents in. At our desks we had a red bin for papers we needed to put in the shredding and we were required to empty them into the shredding bin at the end of the day.

I'd assume the same at the WH. Doofus would have put the documents in his 'burn bin' (as WH docs are incinerated). So either his trash was routinely gone through on the sly by conscientious staffers who knew his predilection for destroying documents OR an innocent staffer was dumping his trash, noticed questionable documents, and took them to their supervisor. At any rate, apparently it became common for staffers to 'edit' the trash when they could get their hands on it.

It's a good thing there were still some adults in the room, to use the old phrase for people who knew from the start that Trump is a spoiled toddler really.

Yes, thank goodness.

I think I can remember your talking about this a long time ago on one of the early threads Across.