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AIBU to find it utterly astounding that it's socially acceptable in England for pet cats to poop in other people's gardens??!

999 replies

DrawsSword · 07/11/2021 11:49

I honestly cannot get my head round this. We've moved into a new house and the garden is full of cat shit. Not a single cat owner I know has a little tray for their cat to use. Where do cat owners think their cats poop? Do you honestly not care that it's in other peoples gardens?
My dh is from in a country where this is not socially acceptable and cat owners have litter trays and the cats bloody use them.

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Bloodypunkrockers · 08/11/2021 13:16

Bloody hell

There's a subset of cat owners that really, really need help

When you come and have a go at me for chasing off your little shitting machine make sure you bring a bag with you and you can their shit home

Coronawireless · 08/11/2021 13:16

@LaBellina

LaBellina Yes I agree with you. We keep our DCat indoors as we don’t want others to have to deal with our pets waste as one of the reasons. Poor cat, which would prefer to be outdoors.

Safe cat, away from the busy road next to our home. Sod off with your judgement about my pet if you have ZERO knowledge about how we live.

Ugh you keep your car indoors because you don’t want to deal with its waste. Beside an unsafe area I can (just about) understand - though why get a cat in that case. But keeping it indoors all its life because you don’t want to deal with its waste? Aren’t humans just lovely!
Bloodypunkrockers · 08/11/2021 13:20

@TwinklyBranch

Quite right. In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland there are laws against this sort of thing.
Unfortunately this is a cat thread, so your response has sailed over the heads of many
Lady08 · 08/11/2021 13:21

@Bloodypunkrockers

Bloody hell

There's a subset of cat owners that really, really need help

When you come and have a go at me for chasing off your little shitting machine make sure you bring a bag with you and you can their shit home

I suppose you’re blameless and never cause an inconvenience to anything else, in your perfect little world.
LaBellina · 08/11/2021 13:23

Yes @Coronawireless you indeed sound like a ‘lovely human’ 🤣🤣🤣

LaBellina · 08/11/2021 13:23

Also, learn to read. One of the reasons.

Sunshinegirl82 · 08/11/2021 13:24

@Bloodypunkrockers

Bloody hell

There's a subset of cat owners that really, really need help

When you come and have a go at me for chasing off your little shitting machine make sure you bring a bag with you and you can their shit home

Help to do what? Continue to be unbothered by the location of cat shit?
AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/11/2021 13:24

@Bloodypunkrockers

Bloody hell

There's a subset of cat owners that really, really need help

When you come and have a go at me for chasing off your little shitting machine make sure you bring a bag with you and you can their shit home

I'd never have a go at anyone chasing or squirting my cat with water.
Nanny0gg · 08/11/2021 13:26

@DrawsSword

I honestly cannot get my head round this. We've moved into a new house and the garden is full of cat shit. Not a single cat owner I know has a little tray for their cat to use. Where do cat owners think their cats poop? Do you honestly not care that it's in other peoples gardens? My dh is from in a country where this is not socially acceptable and cat owners have litter trays and the cats bloody use them.
What country?

Every other European or non-uk country I've visited is overrun with feral cats.

And are you suggesting we shouldn't have any at all?

goinggently · 08/11/2021 13:31

@Bloodypunkrockers

Bloody hell

There's a subset of cat owners that really, really need help

When you come and have a go at me for chasing off your little shitting machine make sure you bring a bag with you and you can their shit home

batcatshit crazy I'd say

Well, do crack on all of you. I'm sure you will in your self-satisfied way... smugly enjoying your little kitty cats defecating all over your neighbours' gardens whilst amusing yourselves with memes about your feline overlords.

ConstanceGracy · 08/11/2021 13:33

Oh jeez.. this again

mymumwouldntapprove · 08/11/2021 13:34

I have several cats. All have outside access with a cat flap. One uses a litter tray. The others go outside. They do poo in our garden, but short of locking them all inside all the time there is no way to Stop them pooing elsewhere as well.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/11/2021 13:37

It's just you that fills your day thinking about shit @goinggently

dozyjosie42 · 08/11/2021 13:40

Last comment for me then I'm bowing out because frankly you can't argue with crazy.

As a cat owner I acknowledge that cat shit in your garden can be annoying. In the same way a bird shitting on my freshly washed windows would be annoying. But does that mean I want all birds eradicated? No because I'm not an entitled psychopath. The key difference of course is that cat haters know that cats technically 'belong' to people and that these feckless owners should be 'taking responsibility' for their cats. My cat is fed, chipped, vaccinated, neutered and healthy. So I do take responsibility for him. However I'll be fucked if I'm a) keeping him indoors his entire life on the off chance he might crap somewhere he shouldn't or b) following him around every time he's out to make sure I know where he's shitting. That would be insane.

Living within a community means that sometimes you have to put up with other peoples choices. If you don't like the fact that people own cats then move to a rural, isolated place with no cat owners around you. Of course you'll still have all manner of wildlife shitting on your property but you'll have nobody you can blame or start angry MN threads about.

The level of intolerance and sheer stupidly on this thread is mind boggling. Some of you are so incredibly joyless.

DockOTheBay · 08/11/2021 13:45

YANBU. Its disgusting.
I posted on here a while back about a cat shitting on my property. I 99% knew it was this cat, as I had seen it on my drive in that exact area multiple times, it was a new cat and there were no other cats in the area, and there had never been poo on the garden before.

Was told "cats NEVER" shit on gravel, it MUST have been a fox. How could I possibly know it was that cat?

Anyway about a week later I actually saw the cat shitting there so obviously they were talking cat bull shit.

Ironically if someone's dog shat on their lawn or drive i expect they would all be up in arms.

Resilience · 08/11/2021 13:45

I blame TV makeover shows. Gardens are not extensions of your home. They are colonised outdoor areas. You can control their environment only to a limited extent. Accepting that wild animals will roam through them (and shit in them) is as necessary as accepting that you can't control the weather in the garden either. Anyone expecting a sterile garden environment is foolish. If you are worried about immuno suppression or children touching things, no one should be allowed out into a garden without it first being checked for all sorts of wildlife droppings (and cats). Most wildlife droppings will contain far more hazardous materials than a well-cared-for cat's and in the case of birds and rats not necessarily be very noticeable and therefore actually much more risky!

Most cats bury their faeces, so if it's on the surface, it may well not be cat faeces anyway. Cats are also territorial so tend not to defecate too far from home. In a cat dense area they will normally limit to their own garden. Cats pooing in other people's gardens isn't as much of an issue as people think and the culprit is often another, wild animal.

I don't think it's 'ok' for cats to defecate in someone else's garden, but at the same time I think it's often a misdiagnosed problem when other animal's are responsible, and in comparison to other wild animal's defecation getting upset about it seems a rather pointless exercise. If you removed all cats from the face of the earth, your garden would still be horribly 'contaminated' by animal faeces.

Cats are domesticated animals but they are not human dependent in the same way as dogs and their natural behaviour includes outdoor exploration. Just as it's cruel to keep a chicken in a battery cage, it's generally cruel to keep a cat indoors (there are exceptions where people have set up their home to include grasses and plenty of clawing/exercise/mental stimulation opportunities). This is recognised in UK law, hence cats are allowed to be free-roaming. Short of putting cats in nappies, this inevitably means free defecation also. It's not so much that cat owners don't care about other people's gardens and more that they recognise the species' needs and that it is legal. Cats are effectively in the same legal bracket as wildlife.

Disclaimer: I am a cat owner, my cats don't go outdoors (they come in to use the litter tray and then go out again!), and I keep them in from dusk til dawn to help protect birds. I also have a dog and recognise the different species needs and legal status so he is microchipped, kept on a lead apart from when I can ensure safe, free-running opportunity, regularly deflead and wormed (as are my cats), insured and I pick up his faeces. Different species, different needs/treatment.

SarahJeffers341 · 08/11/2021 13:48

It’s just what cats do! You have a tray when they live indoors don’t you? Not for outdoor cats! It isn’t nice but I’ve always thought it was normal!

Mummakinz · 08/11/2021 13:52

Are you actually being serious?

Trying to stop a cat pooping in your garden AND knowing who’s cat did it , would be like trying to stop next doors dust from settling on your grass. Depending on where you live , there are all sorts of animal poops going on. You really can’t expect cats to go “ oops can’t poop here, not my garden “ . I say if you can’t beat them join them. Get a cat or two 😂😂
I’d love to be your neighbour, knocking on my door expecting me to pick up cat poop from your garden! Good luck with that.
Maybe do some yoga or meditation and chill TF out lol

Willyoujustbequiet · 08/11/2021 13:57

Yanbu. It's really not acceptable.

If I know which cat it is I ask their owner to come and clean it up. No one has refused yet but if they did I would deliver it back to them.

SueSaid · 08/11/2021 13:58

So, irresponsible and hapless cat owners how would you feel if my dog popped into your garden and had a wander about then did a shit on your plants? I mean they're animals it's what they do!!! waaaaaah!!

'blame TV makeover shows. Gardens are not extensions of your home. They are colonised outdoor areas. You can control their environment only to a limited extent. Accepting that wild animals will roam through them (and shit in them) is as necessary as accepting that you can't control the weather in the garden either. Anyone expecting a sterile garden environment is foolish'

Bollocks. Our garden is indeed an extension of our home, it is our property y'see. Manky cats aren't welcome, they should be at home with their owners. I do accept wild animals will roam and shit in our garden, I don't accept others people's pets will.

FortunesFavour · 08/11/2021 14:01

Again Janiie, it’s not a question of whether you accept it or not. It’s the law so you have to.

FissionMailed · 08/11/2021 14:01

@JaniieJones

So, irresponsible and hapless cat owners how would you feel if my dog popped into your garden and had a wander about then did a shit on your plants? I mean they're animals it's what they do!!! waaaaaah!!

'blame TV makeover shows. Gardens are not extensions of your home. They are colonised outdoor areas. You can control their environment only to a limited extent. Accepting that wild animals will roam through them (and shit in them) is as necessary as accepting that you can't control the weather in the garden either. Anyone expecting a sterile garden environment is foolish'

Bollocks. Our garden is indeed an extension of our home, it is our property y'see. Manky cats aren't welcome, they should be at home with their owners. I do accept wild animals will roam and shit in our garden, I don't accept others people's pets will.

Your property. You'll be dead soon, then it'll be someone else's, it was someone else's before your turn. You're paying for temporary use of it, that's all.

Heres a question.
If every cat vanished today, would all poop from gardens vanish? Or would it inrease as foxes, squirrels, hedgehogs, badgers, lesser spotted great tits etc would all flourish?

FortunesFavour · 08/11/2021 14:02

Your best bet is a comprehensive letter campaign to your local MP. Perhaps some flyers round the supermarket. Good luck.

Coronawireless · 08/11/2021 14:03

I mean I get it if there are hundreds of cats in the area pooing in your small garden - yes that’s annoying. But is that the case or are you all just very squeamish and angry? Hard to tell.

AngeloMysterioso · 08/11/2021 14:04

All those people who don’t care about their cats shitting in their neighbours gardens… would you be ok with your neighbour’s dog shitting in your garden?

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