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Is it weird that I don’t believe in love?

73 replies

IStoppedBelieving · 07/11/2021 10:50

Particularly in so called ”romantic love”?

I wanted write more about this, but didn’t even know what to write.
But I guess it bothers me since I’m here, asking strangers what they think….

YABU love is a real thing
YANBU don’t believe much either

OP posts:
Namenic · 07/11/2021 11:43

Just because not everyone experiences it doesn’t mean that no one does. I think there are lots of cases of people being devoted to a partner over a lifetime.

Personally, I think it also depends on if you see love as a passive feeling or something you put active work into. I also wouldn’t say that all love of a partner is romantic - sometimes aspects of the relationship bear resemblance to non-romantic bonds (eg to siblings, children, parents, friends).

TheLovelinessOfDemons · 07/11/2021 11:43

I don't know what love is, I thought it was because of my autism.

IStoppedBelieving · 07/11/2021 11:44

I also think you are confusing love with lust. I only recognised the difference myself when I felt real love for the first time.

To this: see I pointed out how I see others viewing relationships.
Like there HAS to be sexual attraction/sex and it has to continue so….

This is not personal view on love at all.
And I once was talking about this with friends and I was called naive.

They asked what I looked in a partner and I said
I wanted deep emotional connection, mutual respect and care for eachother.

Pretty much everyone else said something about looks, education, careers, hobbies and talked about sex.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/11/2021 11:47

Love is when your day is better just because they exist.

Love is when they objectively look like crap because they're ill but you see the spark in their eyes when they look at you.

Love is when a simple touch, non sexual, just a hand on your arm or shoulder, feels like the warmest hug in the world.

Love is where, even if there isn't any sex, touching and being touched feels warm and safe.

Love is where you can talk nonsense for hours or not speak at all. And you can compete in a way where it's as much fun to lose as it is to win, because it's the playing that's the point.

Love is when you can tell them they're being a complete knob and they can say the same to you and you'll both listen to the reasons why.

Love is when you can both say 'Yes, you're right' and 'Sorry' is not an admission of defeat. You're not keeping scores.

Love is where you glance up and realise they're looking at you with a soft smile without actually wanting to say anything.

Love is where the world looks brighter when they walk into a room.

Love is where there's a moment that the world stops and the only thing that exists are the two of you. Doesn't matter if it's in bed, on a train, in a crowded room or in the kitchen as one of you reaches past the other whilst they're doing the washing up; at that moment, it's just the two of you.

Love is where you can have entire conversations without saying a single word.

I was 40 and didn't have a clue what that was like.

LittleDandelionClock · 07/11/2021 11:47

You worded the thread title badly @IStoppedBelieving

Of course LOVE is a thing. I LOVE my cat, and she makes me so happy every time I see her, I LOVE my daughter and would die for her, I LOVE my parents, and there's nothing I wouldn't do for them. I LOVE my DH although I want to slap him across the ass with a wet cod sometimes as he can be an annoying twat. (So can I!) Overall though, I enjoy my life with DH, and do love him, and he loves me, and we take care of each other.

I know what you mean about romantic love though. I don't think it's there for many. I know quite a few women in real life who have been with their husband 30-40 years - and they say that not only are they not in love with him, but that they never have been.

I come from a working class background, and many women in my world, got married in the 1980s to their boyfriend of 1-3 years, in a time when as long as a man has his own hair and teeth, and a job, he would do. ANYthing was better (for them) than staying single.

Many girls dated lads whilst in their teens, (or very early 20s,) and were engaged, married and pregnant within 2 years of meeting him. Many of these women are still with these men, after 30-40 years, and don't really love him, and never have. They have had several affairs between them in the distant past, and an awful lot of rows in the past too, (and a few recent ones,) and don't have loads in common.

But the marriage isn't awful, and they do their own thing, and sometimes do stuff together, and are better off together financially. Finances and poverty keeps people together, a lot more than LOVE does.

They have stayed together, because it's better than being alone. (For them.) The working class girls who stayed single, ended up staying with their parents until they were middle aged, and then had to fight for the tenancy of the council house they grew up in. Many lost that fight, and ended up in a private-let flat , fighting for extra hours at work, just so they can survive.

Being single may be OK for some, but it's a miserable life for many. Basically, it's a miserable life if you're quite poor. It's a much better/easier life if you are with someone. And if you and your partner rub along OK from day to day, and your are not deeply in love but still like and care about each other, and you are OK financially, and quite comfortable, and you live in a nice house in a nice area, then why change things? Why leave?

Also, many women stayed for the children, (whilst they were young) and then stayed while they were at college and then uni maybe, and stayed until the youngest one left. And then it was too late to leave and start over.

And I'm sorry but despite some posters saying that they, and LOADS of women they know left their husband after 30-40 years - at the age of 55-60, and found a wonderful new man, retrained for a new fantastic career, and now have a lovely 2 million pound apartment overlooking the River Thames; the reality for most women 55+ who try to go it alone, is that they will end up in penury. Scraping pennies together for food, and begging their workplace for extra hours, and having to claim benefits to be able to survive.

No, don't mock or dismiss my words. That is what it's like for many women. Not all women live in the parallel world of mumsnet where shiny new careers, lovely apartments, amazing new friends, and wonderful rich sexy men fall into our lap if we leave our husband of 30-40 years to try to 'start over.'

So yep, going back to the thread subject. The OP is right that many people are not really in love. Some may have been to begin with, but when the reality of life, housework, children, having to tolerate your husband's shitty in-laws and annoying friends, having to do 90% of the housework and childcare (whilst your DH focuses on his big MAN-JOB and hobbies,) and having to work a job you hate (to make ends meet,) the shine wears off for many women...

Antiqueanniesmagiclanternshow · 07/11/2021 11:49

I've been with my dh 29 years. Love exists.
It grows and changes and adapts.

I love him more because of the way he has loved me, cared for me, cared for my family. I love him more because of the way he has been a father to our children.

TMChappyascanbe · 07/11/2021 11:50

I know what complete and total enduring love is because that is what I feel for my children.

Romantic love is usually fleeting - it's a biological effect necessary to flood your body with hormones so that you want to procreate with a partner. In my experience it is an overwhelming feeling that sends you me a bit crazy Grin

I do know people who really love each other years into their marriage, but it's a different sort of love, not the overwhelming feeling you experience in the first weeks and months. Having said that, I know that this is exceptional rather than the rule in my age group (fifties) Most friends and family in long term partnerships and marriages would be happier apart but stay together for a range of financial and other reasons.

It's a shame you haven't experienced romantic love yet OP but absolutely don't write it off - you are still young and it is likely to creep up on you when you least expect it!!

IStoppedBelieving · 07/11/2021 11:51

@WhoWants2Know

I'm kind of similar, OP.

I can see that romantic love is something that exists for other people, but I don't believe that it can for me. I don't think I'm capable of that level of feeling anymore.

This is so me! Like it’s meant to everyone else, but me. And just not knowing how would that even work if it did come my way one day.

Unlikely at this age, but who knows….

I’m in therapy for other reasons, but I have learned recently that I have fearfull attachment style, so that probably explains quite a lot.

OP posts:
CoalCraft · 07/11/2021 11:56

I look forward to seeing my husband after work each and every day. I miss him when I go away for a few days.

SickAndTiredAgain · 07/11/2021 11:59

They asked what I looked in a partner and I said
I wanted deep emotional connection, mutual respect and care for eachother.

Pretty much everyone else said something about looks, education, careers, hobbies and talked about sex.

I think this is just answering slightly different questions though. They’re answering what they look for in people they meet, to start dating. You’re answering more long term. I assume you don’t look for deep connection when deciding whether to say yes to someone asking you out for dinner. You start dating someone due to seemingly more superficial reasons (similar interests, physical attraction, etc), and then the emotional connection comes later.
I love DH and we do have an emotional connection, and mutual respect and care for each other. But the reason I agreed to go out with him when he asked was because we hit it off and I was attracted to him.

IStoppedBelieving · 07/11/2021 11:59

By love I don’t mean lust or spending time in the bedroom.

I don’t make that connection at all.

I mean that deep care for other person they both have genuinely chosen to have eachothers lives.
And building a life together.
That sees beyond looks or sex or jobs and doesn’t worry about social pressures.
Or secretly (or not so secretly) keep checking what else is out there.
Commitment and contentment.

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BruiserWoods · 07/11/2021 12:03

I don't think I do either. I'm far more worthy of love now than I was when I was young and pretty. More resilient, more self-aware, braver, more secure, less anxious, but nobody will want me because I'm 51. I have not really been looking but you can be the best version of yourself you've ever been while simultaneously appealing to nobody! So, yeh, romantic love is a bit a myth. Some people fall in lust and an attachment forms. I believe in tthat. That works for them. But it was the lust that got them there.

EmeraldShamrock · 07/11/2021 12:04

Romantic love? Yes I believe in it.
I know DP really loves me after 16 years he always has my back and best interests.
I don't always deserve it and wonder how he is able to give all of himself.
Non Romantic love definitely exists in my life.
I really love my DC my Dbro and Dsis's, in-laws and some friends.
I only recognised it in my thirties.

CompetitiveMumming · 07/11/2021 12:05

Limerance and lust and attraction are really powerful. The feeling where everything about a person seems to have a sort of fascinating halo about it. So and so lent me that book, I read it more attentively. He likes that music, I'll listen to it. If you've never felt that, OP, I can see it must seem incomprehensible.

However limerance is a lot connected with sex and with ego, in my case at least. It feels magical because a lot of the psychological problems of real attachment haven't surfaced yet.

Longer term love, I find, is a choice - doing acts of love for each other. Feeling seen and supported. Making the time to do that for them.

I guess your friends focus on shared hobbies and good prospects because these are a) ways in to generating limerance and interest and b) indicative of shared values down the track, which makes the longer term stuff easier.

I suspect what you mean by "you don't believe in romantic love" is that you don't believe it just happens. I mean , you're sort of right. But many people deny - to themselves and to others - the psychological work and process it takes to get to the point of being open to love and to giving love.

CtrlU · 07/11/2021 12:07

I do see where your coming from

I don’t know if I believe people stay together and in LOVE for the rest of their life

EmeraldShamrock · 07/11/2021 12:07

This is so me!
Like it’s meant to everyone else, but me.
And just not knowing how would that even work if it did come my way one day.

How old are you if you don't mind answering?
It isn't learning to receive love.
I definitely didn't feel it for a long time.

EmeraldShamrock · 07/11/2021 12:07

Meant it isn't easy.

IStoppedBelieving · 07/11/2021 12:16

@EmeraldShamrock

This is so me! *Like it’s meant to everyone else, but me. And just not knowing how would that even work if it did come my way one day.* How old are you if you don't mind answering? It isn't learning to receive love. I definitely didn't feel it for a long time.
I’m 35.
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BiBabbles · 07/11/2021 12:21

This reminds me of a book I was looking at recently - What Love Is - and what it could be by Carrie Jenkins - which looks at both the biological parts (the hormones that produce physical reactions including emotions) and the changing social and cultural ideas around what love is set up to be that, yeah, I can see why that can raise questions as to whether the ideal set up for us really exists. People have debated that (and if it does exist, whether it's a good thing) for centuries.

Considering the difference between platonic and romantic, which I've debated with myself for a while, the best way I've found to describe it is that I want my friends to have all the best and get their dreams, but I'm fine with being the bystander/cheerleader/support and don't feel any automatically desire to be directly involved or have them directly involved in my dreams - it's nice to be involved, but romantically, I do have an reaction to want to get involved when discussing their goals and I consider my plans and hopes with them in mind - which I lose when I 'fall out of love' with someone even if I still care platonically for them.

Prattypatel · 07/11/2021 12:26

I dont think you are odd at all.I dont think I ever experienced love( had relationships).I have never grieved for a loss of a human,but absolutely hearbroken with long grief for the loss of my dog(s).I have had numerous dogs in my lifetime(60 year old now).

EmeraldShamrock · 07/11/2021 12:31

but absolutely hearbroken with long grief for the loss of my dog(s).I have had numerous dogs in my lifetime(60 year old now).
That is real love. ❤

LittleDandelionClock · 07/11/2021 14:27

@EmeraldShamrock

but absolutely hearbroken with long grief for the loss of my dog(s).I have had numerous dogs in my lifetime(60 year old now). That is real love. ❤
Awww, yep the love for our pets is strong. Smile
LittleDandelionClock · 07/11/2021 14:28

Sorry that ^ was to @Prattypatel

LittleDandelionClock · 07/11/2021 14:39

@NeverDropYourMooncup

Love is when your day is better just because they exist.

Love is when they objectively look like crap because they're ill but you see the spark in their eyes when they look at you.

Love is when a simple touch, non sexual, just a hand on your arm or shoulder, feels like the warmest hug in the world.

Love is where, even if there isn't any sex, touching and being touched feels warm and safe.

Love is where you can talk nonsense for hours or not speak at all. And you can compete in a way where it's as much fun to lose as it is to win, because it's the playing that's the point.

Love is when you can tell them they're being a complete knob and they can say the same to you and you'll both listen to the reasons why.

Love is when you can both say 'Yes, you're right' and 'Sorry' is not an admission of defeat. You're not keeping scores.

Love is where you glance up and realise they're looking at you with a soft smile without actually wanting to say anything.

Love is where the world looks brighter when they walk into a room.

Love is where there's a moment that the world stops and the only thing that exists are the two of you. Doesn't matter if it's in bed, on a train, in a crowded room or in the kitchen as one of you reaches past the other whilst they're doing the washing up; at that moment, it's just the two of you.

Love is where you can have entire conversations without saying a single word.

I was 40 and didn't have a clue what that was like.

Good post @NeverDropYourMooncup Smile
RunningScarabbed · 07/11/2021 14:55

Not all marriages or partnerships are built on love, but love definitely exists. There are still couples who stick together through thick and thin, including horrible difficulties and devastating diagnoses. If that's not love, I don't know what else you'd call it.

I would say, though, that there are many different "looks" to love. Love in the first year didn't look like Year 20 love, for me, but it's still love.

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