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Rafiq racism at Yorkshire CC

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peoniesarejustperfect · 03/11/2021 19:23

Posting here for traffic as just so upset and disgusted to read about what has been happening at Yorkshire CC. The initial abuse and then it seems a cover up. Not sure if the whole story is out, but it just seems so shocking that a young, talented man would be subject to such horrible abuse by another young, talented man. Then for it to be dismissed by an inquiry. There's nothing to explain or justify it apart from pure nastiness. I am so pleased the sponsors are pulling out.

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siestalady · 04/11/2021 10:08

@HarrietsChariot

Name-calling has always been a part of cricket, especially between teams (some of the "sledging" used by Australia is appalling) but also between team-mates. It's just part of the game, like football fans chanting "you're going home in a fucking ambulance" or similar.

As with anything, times change and what was acceptable before may not be acceptable now. But until the culture within the game changes, one kind of offensive behaviour will just be replaced by another.

I'm pretty sure that calling anyone a "paki" has never been acceptable.

Sick of the "name calling has always been part of cricket" gaslighting bollocks that both Yorkshire and the ECB have continually tried to hide behind.

araiwa · 04/11/2021 10:22

It really seems daft as fuck considering Yorkshire has a huge Asian population that tends to love cricket

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/11/2021 10:34

I think there is a clear distinction between name calling between teams of the "whinging poms" v "bloody convicts" type (both of which I have heard at Ashes matches) and team members singling out an individual with pejorative comments based on his race.

Targeting an individual for racist abuse is never banter.

Otherpeoplesteens · 04/11/2021 10:50

@Libertaire

That’s an interesting statement by Ballance. He has been careful to avoid using the word ‘banter’, while making it very clear that, in his view, that is exactly what his verbal exchanges with Rafiq were. He also insists that the pair were close friends at the time. It will be equally interesting to hear Rafiq’s side of the story, of course.

As a big cricket fan, I have not heard any rumours about Ballance being a dickhead. You would think the fact that he is also good friends with Joe Root would tell you all you need to know about him, which makes these allegations all the more surprising.

The whole thing has been handled incredibly badly by Yorkshire and those responsible for this fiasco need to resign.

On the last England tour to Australia, with Ben Stokes sitting out because of his criminal charges and Jos Buttler not selected, there was a dearth of leadership in the touring party. Jimmy Anderson ended up as the designated Vice Captain even though he has never set a field in his life, never mind led a side. It's fairly widely acknowledged that Gary Ballance was in the touring party - at Joe Root's insistence - for the leadership, stability and example he brought to the squad, even though his selection was nowhere near justified on cricketing grounds and he was never likely to actually make it on to the field. Indeed, after the Jonny Bairstow headbutting incident Ballance's name featured regularly in the aftermath as someone trying to keep heads cool, limit damage, and prevent similar things happening again.

I don't want to deify someone who is frank about his use of racist language in this situation, but Ballance's role is what makes everything so puzzling. Ballance and Rafiq were by all accounts very close friends, close enough that Ballance invited Rafiq and his bowling coach to his parents' home in Zimbabwe. It doesn't add up. I don't know if Ballance is a closet racist, but that fits with nothing I do know about him.

I also don't know whether Ballance is being lined up as a fall guy, but the peak of his career is probably behind him, he's not a true Yorkshireman either, and it's a theory that happens to fit what we do know and might reasonably infer from what's been revealed so far.

Nobody in or near cricket seems to think Yorkshire doesn't have a serious problem with race, or internal management and governance. It will be interesting to see what comes out.

It's also worth noting that cricket is one sport which is becoming distinctly less representative over the years. Asians make up nearly 40% of recreational players but just 4% of professional players. In the Eighties and Nineties black English cricketers were, if not common, at least not unusual, but the number of black professionals in the sport has fallen by 75% in 30 years. It is now also very unusual for anyone who is not from an already cricketing family or a Public School to go anywhere near the club system which feeds the counties. The game is virtually extinct in state schools.

Otherpeoplesteens · 04/11/2021 10:53

@araiwa

It really seems daft as fuck considering Yorkshire has a huge Asian population that tends to love cricket
Yorkshire CCC have such form on refusing recognition of Asian clubs that many of them formed their own tournament years ago and operate almost completely separately. This morning's article by Mihir Bose in the Guardian is a depressing read:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/04/yorkshire-cricket-race-row-sport-azeem-rafiq

alexdgr8 · 04/11/2021 16:16

let's put andrew jennings on to the case, now that seppblatter and platini have been hoiked, at long last.
maybe he can winkle out what's going on, if anyone can.

Porfre · 04/11/2021 17:14

[quote BlackAndGreen]twitter.com/AzeemRafiq30/status/1456169816050618375?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/quote]
There it is.

By making one person the fall guy, it isnt going get to the root of the problem.

Bideshi · 04/11/2021 17:22

Well it is the county that spawned Geoff Boycott. It's got previous....

BlackAndGreen · 04/11/2021 17:58

Geoff Boycott indeed. Don't mention women or colour to him, and definitely not at the same time, or he'll self combust.
He seems to be keeping a low profile on Twitter on this occasion. Sticking to supporting Yorkshire Air Ambulance when I last looked.

LizzieSiddal · 04/11/2021 18:20

It’s been announced by the EXB that Yorkshire have been banned from hosting International and major matches.

Great news!

robertcatesbynight · 04/11/2021 20:11

I think it was only because Azeem Rafiq has been invited to the House of Commons to give evidence and could name under parliamentary privilege that any statement was made on behalf of Gary Ballance. To me the cover-up for a long time is the worst thing about all this.

burblish · 05/11/2021 09:42

I see Roger Hutton (chairman of the YCCC board) has resigned, as apparently have a number of non-exec directors. The club’s handling of this whole affair has been disgraceful.

BlackAndGreen · 05/11/2021 10:31

He was only there about 18 months wasn't he?
Quite a damning statement from him, and his request for help from ECB ignored, allegedly.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/yorkshire-ccc-chairman-roger-hutton-resigns-over-azeem-rafiq-racism-scandal-3445976

.....a constant unwillingness from the executive members of the Board and senior management at the Club to apologise, and to accept that there was racism

The executive members of the board include chief executive Mark Arthur and director of cricket Martyn Moxon. While not directly named in the statement, he said they should resign.

Otherpeoplesteens · 05/11/2021 10:59

I wonder if there is a structural issue with the way cricket is run here.

The ECB is controlled by the 18 counties who all act in their own self interest rather than the interest of the game at large or even the national teams.

Yorkshire CCC, like the other 17 counties, is a members' organisation so the first duty of its board is to the membership. I imagine it must be virtually unmanageable.

One of the complaints that Rafiq made is that during match he received racial abuse from a spectator. He reported it to the club which did nothing, although it also resulted in separate ECB and police investigations which found that... the spectator was the grandfather of one of the other players (and, presumably a member in his own right.) Of course nothing was done by Yorkshire.

logsonlogsoff · 05/11/2021 11:11

The racism is appalling enough, but the handling of it even worse. Yorkshire are screwed, as they should be. The ECB are coming down like a ton of bricks, Nike have pulled their kit sponsorship, the Headingly sponsor Emerald have said they want their name off the ground ASAP.
Unfortunately it takes money, or the loss of it to make some institutions sit up and listen. And as for the ‘bants’ argument - oh please do fuck off. Even as a child 40 years ago the P word wasn’t consider okay to use.
And as for Michael Vaughan - deny it all you want, mate. You’re in that report for a reason.
I hope Rafiq standing up encourages other players to come forward about similar abuse. Everyone knows it goes on in cricket.

logsonlogsoff · 05/11/2021 11:15

My 12 year old is in a cricket team with half a dozen non white players and I can’t imagine a world in which those boys would either think it’s okay to use that language against anyone, let alone a friend and team mate, or have to put up with being on the recipe ing end of it.

BlackAndGreen · 05/11/2021 11:38

I've just had a look at their club rules.

Section 8 deals with Misconduct.
" Bringing the game into disrepute" appears to apply to members, as well as players ,racially abusing players. And usual rules provision for hearings, listening to evidence , sanctions etc

Nowhere do I see a clause saying, "this section does not apply if you are a players grandad".

It could have been dealt with. They chose not to.

( A hollow laugh from me, regarding section 4. Objects of the Club and their commitment to coaching and encouraging diversity)

BlackAndGreen · 05/11/2021 11:40

Oh, and a rule which forbids Board members from commenting in public about Club goings on, on pain of being thrown out of the Club.
Very Stalinist.

BaconMassive · 05/11/2021 11:54

@Libertaire

That’s an interesting statement by Ballance. He has been careful to avoid using the word ‘banter’, while making it very clear that, in his view, that is exactly what his verbal exchanges with Rafiq were. He also insists that the pair were close friends at the time. It will be equally interesting to hear Rafiq’s side of the story, of course.

As a big cricket fan, I have not heard any rumours about Ballance being a dickhead. You would think the fact that he is also good friends with Joe Root would tell you all you need to know about him, which makes these allegations all the more surprising.

The whole thing has been handled incredibly badly by Yorkshire and those responsible for this fiasco need to resign.

Rafiq - Ballance - Root. The England Test Captain.
Etinoxaurus · 06/11/2021 07:26

My take on it is that it’s systemic. The personal relationships are a distracting side show. And by systemic I mean racism is in the bones of the club, sport and bloody Yorkshire. So many horrible situations enabled up by the system Yorkshire ripper, Holbrook, Jimmy Saville, Rotherham girls, Yorkshire police, even the phrase God’s own Country. Angry

phishy · 06/11/2021 09:51

I agree it’s systemic racism.

As to the ‘banter’ defence, Azeem joined YCCC at the age of 17, the culture of white vs Asian would have been inculcated into him, like a slowly boiling frog. Others have reported that in the breaks from cricket, football matches were played white vs Asian, and that comments were made that ‘too many Pakis’ were getting through to the club.

I’m Asian and how would have reacted to being called a Paki at 17 is very different to how I would have reacted now, 20 years later.

burblish · 06/11/2021 14:39

Not surprising to hear that other Asian players are now reporting they encountered similar things to Azeem Rafiq at Yorkshire.

burblish · 06/11/2021 14:43

@phishy “I’m Asian and how would have reacted to being called a Paki at 17 is very different to how I would have reacted now, 20 years later.”

Same here. It was so degrading to feel so powerless when it happened back then.

CricketCat · 06/11/2021 15:20

@phishy “I’m Asian and how would have reacted to being called a Paki at 17 is very different to how I would have reacted now, 20 years later.”

Me too. I’ve been following this since last year and tbh not shocked at how little publicity it received. But I’m really happy with how this is going now. It feels like a win for every time I was ever called a paki or a curry muncher.
The fact Azeem Rafiq did this alone, I can only take my hat off to him.

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