To be confused about friend’s Maldives holiday

[Jacobijake]

A friend of mine had a ‘proper’ job but also sells FM cosmetics on the side. I know this is an MLM and so I’ve muted all her posts and she doesn’t try to sell to me so it doesn’t bother me and I don’t think about it.

However she’s recently (last week) been to the Maldives on a work trip which looked amazing, she said she didn’t have to pay for it it came through her ‘side hustle’ I guess I’m just wondering if that’s true? I always thought MLMs were a complete con and no one made money etc but I’ve seen the holiday pics and it’s a 5* resort! Also pictured are loads of other sellers of her particular thing (FM cosmetics).

To be clear I have no intention of buying products/joining/ and I genuinely think all MLMs prey on the vulnerable.

@CauliWoes

I sell Scentsy. I've never "earned" one of the incentive trips but there's lots in my team that do. The higher up regularly take home £5-£10K each month. The incentive trips are completely all expenses paid. You have to take your own spending money but everything else is paid for. Might be different for other MLM companies though

Do you have any evidence these people regularly take home £5-£10k? (That isn't the fake bank statement I often see with all the details except the amounts received edited out)

@CauliWoes

I sell Scentsy. I've never "earned" one of the incentive trips but there's lots in my team that do. The higher up regularly take home £5-£10K each month. The incentive trips are completely all expenses paid. You have to take your own spending money but everything else is paid for. Might be different for other MLM companies though

Also how much profit do you earn each month? So the commission you earn less the amount you spend on products each month?

It’s actually embarrassing how some of you feel the need to take time out of your “busy” days to comment on others working and creating a better life for themselves.

I was in the MALDIVES - ALL OF it was paid for. So let me just clear that up from the anti mlm “people”

I’ve also been to Singapore with them and Dubai next year - which is ALL paid for!!!
You do not have to be in the business the longest in order to get these trips, I’ve had ladies qualify who have been doing it a year!

The cars are in fact a REAL thing, yes you have to work hard for them, but REALISTICALLY in what business gives you a free car from just being employed by a business - none!

Corporate 9-5 businesses
Your boss is at the top
Then you have directors
You have sometimes share holders
Maybe in some business a board
You then have manager
Then deputy managers
Then minions who do all the “real” work
Then cleaners

Now…let’s talk ACTUAL facts
•networking businesses are commission based, so what?
-If you owned your own business that would be commission based too.
•Would you get a car out of your own business?
Only if you purchased it yourself.
You don’t have to lease a car in fm, you can pcp or purchase it outright entirely down to your own preference.
• this networking businesses is FREE!!! You have no targets, which lets not mistaken us for other businesses.
You also have NO stock holding !!

So why is there so much hate towards people trying to earn a living online?!

Majority of you will use instagram, see an add click on it, and purchase a dress, or see an influencer with a bag and purchase it, what is honestly so different??!!

The people who sell these products generally love them, we don’t force anyone to buy them, nor do we need to, they sell themselves.
And if you don’t like them that’s fine. :)

I don’t like your outfit. Or. Your decor, or your face. But you don’t see me taking to my keyboard to comment that.

Jealousy will get you no where guys, so feel free to carry on your silly rants - but at least get your facts right.

My name is my instagram name; if you want to ask and get real answers then pop me a message.

I’ve been in this 17 year business 3 years, and I’ve worked my way to near the top. You don’t have to have the biggest team, or be in it the longest. But you do have to have passion and be consistent just like you would if you was an OWNER of a small shop or business!

Ask yourself this? How would you feel if someone started taking the piss out of you, for starting a business where you have to buy stock? What about if you worked in McDonald’s and people started taking the piss???
Even retail shops? You wouldn’t like it. But that’s the ONLY job you can do.
Well a lot of us, want to spend extra time with our kids, some of us want some extra money, some are nurses who get paid bare minimum but work looking after and wiping the a*s of your family members….

Enjoy the rest of the year, because us networkers surely will, and the FREE trip to Dubai next year.

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@Jessicalouisemellor

It’s actually embarrassing how some of you feel the need to take time out of your “busy” days to comment on others working and creating a better life for themselves.

I was in the MALDIVES - ALL OF it was paid for. So let me just clear that up from the anti mlm “people”

I’ve also been to Singapore with them and Dubai next year - which is ALL paid for!!!
You do not have to be in the business the longest in order to get these trips, I’ve had ladies qualify who have been doing it a year!

The cars are in fact a REAL thing, yes you have to work hard for them, but REALISTICALLY in what business gives you a free car from just being employed by a business - none!

Corporate 9-5 businesses
Your boss is at the top
Then you have directors
You have sometimes share holders
Maybe in some business a board
You then have manager
Then deputy managers
Then minions who do all the “real” work
Then cleaners

Now…let’s talk ACTUAL facts
•networking businesses are commission based, so what?
-If you owned your own business that would be commission based too.
•Would you get a car out of your own business?
Only if you purchased it yourself.
You don’t have to lease a car in fm, you can pcp or purchase it outright entirely down to your own preference.
• this networking businesses is FREE!!! You have no targets, which lets not mistaken us for other businesses.
You also have NO stock holding !!

So why is there so much hate towards people trying to earn a living online?!

Majority of you will use instagram, see an add click on it, and purchase a dress, or see an influencer with a bag and purchase it, what is honestly so different??!!

The people who sell these products generally love them, we don’t force anyone to buy them, nor do we need to, they sell themselves.
And if you don’t like them that’s fine. :)

I don’t like your outfit. Or. Your decor, or your face. But you don’t see me taking to my keyboard to comment that.

Jealousy will get you no where guys, so feel free to carry on your silly rants - but at least get your facts right.

My name is my instagram name; if you want to ask and get real answers then pop me a message.

I’ve been in this 17 year business 3 years, and I’ve worked my way to near the top. You don’t have to have the biggest team, or be in it the longest. But you do have to have passion and be consistent just like you would if you was an OWNER of a small shop or business!

Ask yourself this? How would you feel if someone started taking the piss out of you, for starting a business where you have to buy stock? What about if you worked in McDonald’s and people started taking the piss???
Even retail shops? You wouldn’t like it. But that’s the ONLY job you can do.
Well a lot of us, want to spend extra time with our kids, some of us want some extra money, some are nurses who get paid bare minimum but work looking after and wiping the a*s of your family members….

Enjoy the rest of the year, because us networkers surely will, and the FREE trip to Dubai next year.

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

The people in that corporate business structure you've outlined don't have to pay to join their job, don't have to buy from the company to keep their job, they have legal rights to fair pay and working conditions, sickness policies, annual leave... none of which an MLM offers. You can acknowledge that surely?

Oh and I own my business and love working for myself. I wouldn't want to work in a business where 98-99% of people who (pay to) join never make a profit. That isn't a pie in the sky number, it's based on data analysing income disclosure reports from 30 MLMs.

Putting 'cleaners' under minions is particularly spiteful isn't it? Maybe read what you're sharing properly instead of copying and pasting what your upline sends you.

The cars are in fact a REAL thing, yes you have to work hard for them, but REALISTICALLY in what business gives you a free car from just being employed by a business - none!

If someone in an MLM who has one of the 'free cars' gets sick and can no longer work or simply wants to leave the business, they are still liable for the monthly payments until the lease term is over. It's a commitment to a contract that doesn't stop if you leave the business through choice, change of circumstance or sickness. Not free.

Oh you really have drunk the kool-aid haven't you?

I'm the MD of a very successful company. My staff don't have to recruit their team members in order to get paid. They don't have to rely on the purchases of others in order to get paid. They get salaries, annual bonuses, contributory pension schemes, sick pay, paid for social events, parties and overseas trips as rewards for a job well done. Oh, and company cars.
They can take six weeks (minimum) holiday a year without having to think about work once. They choose flexible hours. They have their evenings and weekends free to do whatever they want.
They are recruited because they have the skillset I need to do a really fantastic job (and that includes the cleaners btw.)

Imagine if I said all that above, but then said that only applied to 2% of my company, and the other 98% have to keep slogging away for nothing until they make a sale for the company or recruit more team members to also work for nothing? That's network marketing.

You don’t have to lease a car in fm, you can pcp or purchase it outright entirely down to your own preference

How is this different to a normal employee company car scheme? Employees with company cars typically have the option to (a) have use of a company car during the term of their employment, or (b) receive a company car allowance that they can use to lease or buy a car that they can chose to keep if they so wish after their employment has ended (obviously without their company car allowance to subsidise it).

It’s hardly a free car is it? Even FM themselves describe it as a “commission for payment of leasing instalments”.

And what happens if you fail to make your sales targets any given month? Here’s what:

Mercedes-Benz A class will be leased on your own name for 4 years. If you keep the level in the particular month, the monthly rate for this car will be paid by FM World UK into your bank account. If you do not reach the required level we will not refund the monthly rate into your bank account. The Business Partner pays all extra costs such as: car insurance, road tax, VAT and any other fees. FM World UK reserves the right to choose the car dealer.

As someone who has been an employee and a business owner and employee, it seems like FM reps are getting the worst of both worlds. All the risk of being self employed with all the restrictions of being an employee.

Good lord, that’s a load of drivel.

Years ago, a work colleague did ok selling make up (the mlm that does the shit mascara that looks like you’ve glued poundland halloween spiders to your eyelids).

She only made a bit of money because she got in early. She admitted that none of the money came from the products, it came fro recruiting other people, them recruiting others. As far as I could tell, no one was using the shite make up, the reps were just buying what they had to.

I am not jealous of anyone in an MLM scheme.

It seems really bloody stressful. Constant social media selling, getting on people’s nerves.

I used to help run a charity and we would hold summer/christmas fairs to raise money. We would have stalls to hire to local businesses. There were always one or two MLM reps (we limited how many stalls we would. give to MLMs as people don’t like them at events).

They would pay £20 for a stall and would never sell a thing. I used to feel so sorry for them, mostly they were mums like me just trying to earn a bit extra. It all seemed so sad and desperate.

@MakingTheBestOfIt

You don’t have to lease a car in fm, you can pcp or purchase it outright entirely down to your own preference

How is this different to a normal employee company car scheme? Employees with company cars typically have the option to (a) have use of a company car during the term of their employment, or (b) receive a company car allowance that they can use to lease or buy a car that they can chose to keep if they so wish after their employment has ended (obviously without their company car allowance to subsidise it).

It’s hardly a free car is it? Even FM themselves describe it as a “commission for payment of leasing instalments”.

And what happens if you fail to make your sales targets any given month? Here’s what:

Mercedes-Benz A class will be leased on your own name for 4 years. If you keep the level in the particular month, the monthly rate for this car will be paid by FM World UK into your bank account. If you do not reach the required level we will not refund the monthly rate into your bank account. The Business Partner pays all extra costs such as: car insurance, road tax, VAT and any other fees. FM World UK reserves the right to choose the car dealer.

As someone who has been an employee and a business owner and employee, it seems like FM reps are getting the worst of both worlds. All the risk of being self employed with all the restrictions of being an employee.

Genuine thoughts on this @Jessicalouisemellor? Not copy and pasted responses, but your genuine thoughts on how this poster has explained your company's car deal is no different to that of a typical employer's, other than the fact that you don't get mileage paid and you're 100% liable for the costs even if you leave the company through choice / change of circumstance or sickness?

Oops we activated a Hunbot

I've got a family member who's involved in the mlm cults and it's absolutely not free. You have to sell a ridiculous amount of products then pay for your flights and transfers and usually drinks etc because most of these companies are run by Mormons and they don't drink alcohol so it's never included.

The car incentive is also ridiculous, you have to hit a high target every month or pay the monthly instalment yourself if you don't so it's not free as such because most mlm fanatics end up buying their own products to keep up their sales.

There was an excellent program on bbc iplayer called the secrets of multi level millionaires which explains the structure of mlm schemes and has real life people on there who've lost money through them. They pray on vulnerable women and are ruthless.

www.instagram.com/jessicalouisemellor/?hl=en

According to Companies House you're director of your own company

partners.fmworld.com/Femalefragranceboss/AboutBranch

www.tiktok.com/@jessicalouisemellor?lang=en

Really? You are precisely the aggressive grifter we mute on SM

When even sharks like Ocean Finance are warning financially vulnerable people about MLMs, it's a con.

And the poor bastards in the factories, making the products you're trying to flog? Are they minions?

I don’t have to pay to join mine. Another myth you people think you know. 😂. You do have to pay into a pension pot though. :)

I don’t imply my car is free. I work hard for it. If I bought a car or leased a car or even took out a loan for a car and got sick I would still be obliged to pay it whether I’m in a mlm business or not. Normal people without being in networking businesses still lease and pcp and funny enough they do sometimes get sick and the car gets taken back, you could pcp a car and work in McDonald’s - Same thing babe, apart from my business pay me monthly. :)

If your self employed you again have no sickness policy’s, or anything like that, because you work for yourself. Your surely aware of that too aren’t you? Seems to me your describing a self employed person?
Are you actually ok? Only 30 mlms, did you know there are THOUSANDS of mlm businesses out there, and majority of them now are FREE but in fact the business this woman is talking about above is FREE!! So your making yourself look stupid because you are going on 30 out of thousands of businesses… when in fact this one your talking about above is FREE!! LOL!
Free to join. Free to leave. No stock holding. No targets. No minimum sales. No payment to help others….. like I said before. You are generically putting all into the same category when in fact, we aren’t like other “mlm” businesses and one of the best out there.

How do you think m&s, Debenhams, John Lewis’s , mac etc show there new products oh look they advertise it, IN FACT they pay to advertise it. Someone who advertises off their mobile phone has already got it, it’s free to post on social media, and Karen im sure you post your shit Sunday dinner no one wants to look at. 💁🏼‍♀️

Your all that successful you feel the need to comment on mumsnet on a Thursday afternoon, when you should be “working” haha give it a rest 😴

And FYI FM do give away completely FREE cars, my girl won a Mercedes’ for free just from placing an order 😂😂 so that’s where your wrong, it’s not pcp or leased it’s completely hers, with no fees to pay, and she had only just started when she won it!!!!

Your going on about stalls?! People on a market pay for stalls, and sometimes make no money? People also pay for carboitd stalls to shift there crap, and never make any money 😴 it’s everyone game. If someone wants to spend £20 on a stall, then that's entirely up to them, because it’s not forced upon to do that.

Again if your a sales rep for a car business and they say you need to sell x amount of cars to keep your new car, then same applies with any mlm business!

In my first month my instant commission was £600 my online commission was £200…..
I’m sorry I paid NOTHING to earn that money. Yeah you have to graft, but builders graft when they build a house. Same with any business.

You carry on your 9-5 because what your all forgetting to remember is EVERY single business is networking. Your advertisements on social media to get a service NETWORKING!
Your adverts on the tele NETWORKING…..

It all is…. It’s just with network marketing (multi level marketing) it’s done on different social media platforms….. ✌🏼✌🏼

Peace out, I’ve got training to do, and my Range Rover to drive 😘😘😘😘😘

It is sad how people get sucked in. Especially the whole way they do it..more to new mums bigging up the whole stay at home..build a bussiness..know a few people who started. Went made with the advertising but it frizzled out. Did read the Elle blog and at least she was given advise to keep a note of outgoing and incoming.

Your all that successful you feel the need to comment on mumsnet on a Thursday afternoon, when you should be “working” haha give it a rest

You're (not your) ridiculous.

I've given myself a couple of days off because I fancied it.

And I don't have an upline waiting for me on the other side... just me and the business I built and own. Master of my own destiny and all that.

You say people are jealous of you but that's not it. They think it's a seedy way to earn a living, profiting from the 98% of people who won't earn money at all. And parroting on like a hunbot instead of having an actual personality.

I bet you lost friends because of trying to drive recruitment and not taking no for an answer, and then did pass agg social media posts about people not being supportive / finding out who your real friends are etc.

I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't making a living from selling a lie to predominantly financially vulnerable women.

Your going on about stalls?! People on a market pay for stalls, and sometimes make no money? People also pay for carboitd stalls to shift there crap, and never make any money 😴 it’s everyone game. If someone wants to spend £20 on a stall, then that's entirely up to them, because it’s not forced upon to do that.

There was such a desperation about them that there wasn’t from say, a local artist or chocolate maker.

And everyone swerved those stalls and we always got complaints from the public for letting them book them.

I certainly wasn’t jealous of them in the slightest.

Claims she makes £100k a month in Instagram.

Declares £80k profit via her accounts.

Yeah right. If it's real, good luck explaining all that to HMRC.

Oh, Range Rover? I thought it was an Audi you put in your photos.... 😂

@Jessicalouisemellor if it's your "own business" can you set the price of the knock off perfumes you sell? As a business owner you should be able to do this and offer discounts etc but you are tied by the owners of FM would telling you what you can sell it for. Also if it's your business why are there set targets for how much to sell every month? Surely as it's your own business that's totally up to you and you shouldn't have to be selling X amount to earn money. If it's your own business why recruit others to sell the same product and potentially be your rival? I don't see Amazon recruiting others and encouraging them to use the same business model as them and sell the same products yet they are the most successful company in the world and Jeff Bezos in a billionaire. I genuinely feel sorry for people who think if they are in a mlm they are a business owner, you are a sales rep nothing more nothing less.

@RedCarsGoFaster

Claims she makes £100k a month in Instagram.

Declares £80k profit via her accounts.

Yeah right. If it's real, good luck explaining all that to HMRC.

And claims on social media to have bought two houses outright so far...

Companies House must be confused.

@Jessicalouisemellor There may be no upfront cost with FM, but isn’t it right that there are (huge) mandatory minimum purchases to maintain membership?

I enjoy the random words in capitals