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Tories allowing water companies to dump shit in rivers

71 replies

flashbac · 25/10/2021 14:48

What is going on here? The Tories voted AGAINST restrictions on water companies dumping shit in rivers.
We are no longer protected by EU law on this so it's really bad for us and the environment. Remember water companies are private for-profit entities. Its cheaper to discharge raw sewage than to treat it properly.

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DuckonaBike · 25/10/2021 19:56

That’s right. It’s terrible, but not surprising. Thames Water, for instance, has a Canadian pension fund as its main shareholder. It’s all about profits over people, the environment or the common good. Why do people vote for these bastards?

Sillybillymillyvanilly · 25/10/2021 19:57

How can we make this country shitier? I know, let them swim in it. Sigh.

Blindleadingtheblind · 25/10/2021 19:59

I've noticed they have been dumping untreated effluent in the river where I live for about 2 months now. You can see it floating on the top.

I believe it's down to a lack of regulations since leaving the EU and being unable to get the chemicals for treating sue to brexit and a lack of hgv drivers.

Was bound to happen. I didn't vote for this shit. Literally.

Blindleadingtheblind · 25/10/2021 20:00

Due to*

pointythings · 25/10/2021 20:07

Well, it's all about how great Brexit means we can have higher environmental standards now. Oh, wait...

Nice one, Leavers.

FreddyMercurysCat · 25/10/2021 20:11

We have had to stop sea swimming since the summer due to frequent discharge around us.

Utter arseholes.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/10/2021 20:13

Why are you surprised? Wasn’t this sort of consequence bloody obvious, post-Brexit?

Blindleadingtheblind · 25/10/2021 20:14

Thing is many people who live in coastal towns voted Leave. Coastal towns bring in leisure and tourism income. People won't want to go if they will have to bathe in shit.

sst1234 · 25/10/2021 20:19

Where are the fat cats of ofwat who are paid to regulate this industry. Another example of public service waste - literally.

VladmirsPoutine · 25/10/2021 20:21

But alas, imagine if Corbyn had got in Smile

Obsidiansphere · 25/10/2021 20:21

Brexit Bonus…😡

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/10/2021 20:23

VladmirsPoutine

But alas, imagine if Corbyn had got in“

Couldn’t stand the bloke. Don’t recall chucking shit into the sea being in his manifesto, though.

HeddaGarbled · 25/10/2021 20:24

The vote was on a specific amendment, which in the view of those voting against it, was unrealistic and counterproductive. It will now be reconsidered and, hopefully, a more realistic proposal made. The legislation has not been killed. It’s being tweaked. This is normal and proper Parliamentary procedure.

Tempusfudgeit · 25/10/2021 20:26

This particular amendment hadn't been costed, and was likely to run into many millions/billions. You can't upgrade Victorian sewage systems overnight, nor compel people to pay double/triple water rates to cover the upgrades. Sorry if that rains on anyone's 'Tories are scum' parade. Nuance, anyone?

Chronicallymothering · 25/10/2021 20:30

It’s the lack of chemicals for water companies to maintain standards, because of Brexit. It’s in “project fear” impact assessments etc, and was widely pointed to as something that might happen.

Porcupineintherough · 25/10/2021 20:33

You cant upgrade Victorian sewer systems overnight

They've had very many years. Hmm

DuckonaBike · 25/10/2021 20:38

Indeed you can’t upgrade Victorian sewage systems overnight … which is why this should have been addressed some time ago.

And yes, Chronically is correct that the lack of access to chemicals for treating the sewage, due to Brexit, is a major factor. But obviously those who pointed that out were “unpatriotic”. I’m not sure why wanting to protect your country’s natural environment is unpatriotic.

ShintyFartMuscle · 25/10/2021 20:44

@Tempusfudgeit

This particular amendment hadn't been costed, and was likely to run into many millions/billions. You can't upgrade Victorian sewage systems overnight, nor compel people to pay double/triple water rates to cover the upgrades. Sorry if that rains on anyone's 'Tories are scum' parade. Nuance, anyone?
If the water companies were run for the users (us) for the benefit of providing us with clean water. Instead they are run for the benefit of foreign share holders by greedy incompetent people induced to cut cost and quality.

How much did the tories throw at their besties during the pandemic, wasted money where nothing (or not fit for use) items never actually provided for us, they didn’t cost that, but who cares, they’re laughing at you over the fois grasse.

How about they pay fair taxes, that pay for fixing the system? Even better have a company owned by the nation that reinvests the money in fixing the infrastructure instead of making sure old Canadians can have a nice trip in their campervan

coffeerevelsrock · 25/10/2021 20:45

Yet another Brexit dividend Angry.

MiloAndEddie · 25/10/2021 20:52

@Tempusfudgeit has it. It hasn’t been flat voted against, they could’ve voted ‘yes of course we don’t want raw sewage in our water’ but the reality is it’ll cost billions to actually rectify this issue.
The other option is that it’s left to wash down the streets.
Whilst I agree it’s an unacceptable situation they are almost in a no win situation.
FWIW I am as far from a Tory/brexit voter as it’s possible to be

rockingthelook · 25/10/2021 21:15

Just foul...quite literally, will destroy wild life, eco system, stop people going wild swimming, kayaking, paddle boarding,reduce tourism, provide ideal circumstances for diseases, produces noxious smells, need I can go?, so much for protecting the envonment, you need to lobby your MPs again , this government is an absolute shit show, just when you think it can't get any worse!

babblingbumblingbandofbaboons · 25/10/2021 21:37

Just to show the other side of this argument - sewer overflows are often a necessary and regulated part of a combined sewer network. The reality is that the majority of the Victorian infrastructure all companies have to run is a combined network, meaning sewage and road drainage, surface water, roof drainage etc flow through the one pipe to treatment. This has a number of disadvantages, the main two being that a lot of clean water is taken to treatment and where the system gets overwhelmed in times of heavy rain, the overflows legally operate and discharge dilute but yes, untreated, sewage.

The rain can’t be controlled, and building bigger pipes only takes you so far. Imagine a tank being filled up, eventually there will be a storm that beats that tank and makes it overflow. The only way to remove overflows completely is to separate foul sewage and surface water, meaning that all your waste water goes in one pipe, and all the surface water, road and roof drainage goes into another. This already happens in new developments and has been happening for decades, but the reality of replacing all current sewers with this is hundreds of billions of pounds of investment, not to mention never ending roadworks and construction, rising bills and in some very congested cities a total inability to do so as the underground pipe and utility network is already majorly congested. Without overflows in networks like this, that discharge can end up in people’s homes and gardens.

There are of course situations where overflows operate when they shouldn’t - due to blockages, bad practice, lack of maintenance. I’d much rather see legislation to help with that side of things - putting more responsibility on companies (and customers!) to protect the environment. I’m not for a second saying that overflows are a good thing - in an ideal world we wouldn’t need them. But we are so very very far from that ideal it’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

StoneofDestiny · 25/10/2021 21:40

OP ......You are surprised?

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 21:46

@Tempusfudgeit

This particular amendment hadn't been costed, and was likely to run into many millions/billions. You can't upgrade Victorian sewage systems overnight, nor compel people to pay double/triple water rates to cover the upgrades. Sorry if that rains on anyone's 'Tories are scum' parade. Nuance, anyone?
You got the briefing note from Tory HQ Grin

Nuance? What a load of shit.