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I'm struggling to move past the things my brother said and did

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Bizziee · 25/10/2021 09:43

I come from a pretty big family being one of six so as you can imagine, personalities clash, there can be arguments from time to time and we don't always agree. But generally we are all very close and have family gatherings on birthdays and holidays etc. I've always had a particularly strong bond with my youngest brother but ever since his now fiancée walked on the scene 4 years ago he's barely been around and our relationship has taken a real hit. I'm not going to stand here and say that I ever liked this girl, because I haven't and I'm not the only one. She's very difficult to talk to and I always felt that she thought she was better than us with her stuck up ways and princess attitude. She seemed to make my brother very happy though so for the sake of keeping the peace we kept our mouths shut. Until recently.
I have a 2 year old son and although his dad is sort of around it has never been easy. This man treated me appallingly, was manipulative, is a total narcissist, has threatened me with everything you can think of over the years and has generally made my life a living hell. I left him when I was 4 months pregnant and because I had nowhere to go I was forced to move back home with my mum. My younger brother very generously gave up his room for me which I wasn't comfortable with but we decided it was the better option since the only other room was the attic and they didn't want me climbing a ladder. When his girlfriend found out who was due to be moving over from Greece, threw the mother of all hissy fits and had a blaring argument over the phone with my brother. Baring in mind this girl could have easily gone with student accommodation which is what she would have done anyway had she not met my brother! The attic was now out of the question and I was wrong to be there. It's safe to say that my mum was pretty furious about this but did her best not to upset my brother as I did too but I now felt even more uncomfortable and at my most vulnerable time. So fast forward a month and she finally arrives, I'm still carrying feelings of anger towards her, she clearly does not like me but we exchange pleasantries and carry on minding our own business. My relationship with my brother is becoming more and more strained and I'm feeling more and more in the way and desperate to find my own place. We live in the most expensive city in the UK though so this wasn't going to be easy and I was forced to find help through the council and if any of you have ever been in this situation, you'll know how long and drawn out this process can take. I looked to private rent so I could get out sooner but everyone kept advising me against it and my mum didn't want me to leave. I ended up being there until my son was just a few months old and although I'm super appreciative of the help I got from my mum, it was not easy being under the same roof as little miss princess and my brother who seemed to fall at her feet trying to make her happy. Now, going back to my ex. Even though I had left him, at that time I still wanted him to be in our sons life but it didn't come without it's costs. He was constantly nasty to me, said horrible things about my mum and her house, threatened to take full custody once my son was born and belittled me. When things got especially bad I tried to talk to my brother about it as we always had before and he gave me the cold shoulder! He actually took my ex's side and tried to blame me for his disgusting behaviour. It hurt me so much and my once sweet and caring brother just seemed like this entirely different person altogether. I couldn't understand how he could take my ex's side who had threatened to kill me, thrown things at me and took off running down the road with our month old baby in the middle of the night. Throughout the years he has continued to have a friendship with this man and it has always bothered me but because of the way he took his side that time, I couldn't bring myself to have much contact with him anymore and we went for the next 2 years without speaking. He missed my birthday and my sons first birthday. Before that we had never missed a single one and used to spoil each other with inside joke presents and make a massive deal out of it. It's like I've lost one of my best friends. We only just started talking again a few months ago when I told him I was moving to live with my now partner who I absolutely adore. He came and took some stuff from my flat that I didn't need anymore (without his girlfriend) and we got chatting just like old times. It was lush and I felt like we were getting back to how we used to be. Then, one night while the ex was giving me his usual bullshit about this and that, he sent me some pictures of my son. Pictures that I had taken on my phone and uploaded to my social media. I don't have my ex on anything and have blocked him after he harassed me and was stalking me. My heart sank as I realised how he had gotten them. My brother. Instead of jumping to conclusions though I asked him outright and sure enough, it was him. He said he didn't think anything of it and it was totally innocent for my ex to want some pictures of our son even though I send him pictures and he has video calls with him. We are going through a legal battle right now over my son after he threatened to take him out of the country. I was furious, hurt and felt like he had crossed the line with his total disregard for my trust. We ended up having a bit of a row about it, me trying to explain why that was wrong and not his place to take MY pictures from MY social media without even running it by me or mentioning that my ex had asked, and him shouting at me, insulting me calling me fucking snowflake of all things and telling me to get off my high horse. By that point I was literally raging and basically told him that I never want any contact with him ever again. How could he do that? How could he not know or even care that that was over the line? He has never made an effort to meet my son or wish him a happy birthday but he did through my ex!! They would meet up for fucking lunch dates! And to top it off, I then get the rudest message I think I've ever read from his girlfriend!!! Telling me to leave him alone and that I'm causing him stress by bringing my shitty little life and tantrums in to his! Or how I've apparently caused 4 years of hurt to their relationship even though we haven't seen or spoke for the last 2! She even started messaging my mum for some kind of justification to the whole situation and got the exact same response that she got from me. I'm just blown away by it and have since blocked them both and made it very clear that I want no contact with either of them but I just can't shake it. It's all really bothering me and I'm still pretty bloody angry about it. Was I right to react the way I did? I don't want to cause trouble for my family who are all on my side but it still hurts so much that he can continue to have this friendship with my ex that has caused so much shit over the years, not just to me but my family too and my son. My brother who I once cared so deeply for is now this total stranger that I don't even recognise. I don't want him to be isolated from his family either but we're all just so shocked at what he did and how he spoke to me. Sorry for the really long post I've been holding on to this for days and it's making me crazy Sad

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nitsandwormsdodger · 25/10/2021 20:03

Toooooo looooog
Basically you live with your sil and brother but don’t get on with her ( ( you did not explain the row with her clearly , so um super confused about that )

Can you take her out for a drink and clear the air ?

nitsandwormsdodger · 25/10/2021 20:09

Sorry just read more If you op

Your ex is violent and abusive and should only see your son in a contact centre and you and your family should have absolutely nothing / No contact what so ever
Get a restraining order now

nitsandwormsdodger · 25/10/2021 20:17

Ahhhh just read whole post
So sorry your brother is choosing his gf over you and your need for support
Hopefully he will dump gf and your relationship will repair
Keep your distance from both these men and focus on your little fella and your future
Never have bug rows over text or social media it’s so tacky and easily made worse with mis understandings

Keep away , say nothing to anyone the family as it will get back to him and not in the way you want it to . Talk a lot to friends and unconnected people , ask your gp for therapy for your DV relationship and the stress you are Under
Keep way from ex and bro xxx

Travis1 · 25/10/2021 20:21

YANBU at all. Your brother has shown his true colours. You’re doing the right thing for you and your son. You’re not forcing anyone to chose sides if they decide to avoid your brother it’s because they know he’s a cunt

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 25/10/2021 20:28

Step away from all this drama. It’s no good for you or your son.

Sickoffamilydrama · 25/10/2021 20:32

Firstly I feel your pain I remember my Dbro the little boy that I adored and loved to be around and who felt the same about me. Unfortunately that boy has gone and been replaced by an utter arrogant dick.

Firstly get it out of your mind that it's all his GF fault whilst she maybe partially to blame you have no idea what your Bro has been saying to her, he's already proved to be sneaky and untrustworthy with your ex.

My DBro has poisoned his wife against my Dsis because DSis found out he was trying to shag around whilst his wife was pregnant and gave him hell.

Although it's hard particularly as you want to go back to having the sibling you knew and loved unfortunately sometimes they aren't actually that person. I suspect my Bro has always been this person it's just that the bad parts of his character seem to have expanded and developed as a teen and squashed all the good parts.

Bizziee · 25/10/2021 20:35

Thank you everyone and I am so sorry that was a super long post, I just couldn't explain everything in short as it's years of build up! I am doing everything I can to keep my son safe too, he doesn't have any contact with his dad at the moment until we have a court order in place. Also not having contact with my brother or his girlfriend as I just can't be dealing with his nasty shit after everything I've already been through. Just wasn't sure I was doing the right thing or if I had over reacted Sad
Keep going over their messages to me in my head. Hoping I can just forget about it soon and let it go

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2021namechanger · 25/10/2021 20:40

Oh think you’re conflating the fact that your brother has no respect for you with his girlfriend.

evidently you don’t like her - but I don’t see what she has to do with the whole thing. It’s your brother who has done you wrong here really.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 25/10/2021 20:45

It's not the girlfriend, your brother has just grown into a disappointing man. You can remember his earlier self with fondness, but don't expect anything from the person he is now.

Bizziee · 25/10/2021 20:53

I guess his girlfriend doesn't have much to do with this but a lot of the upset caused between me and my brother did start with her. Me having to move back to my mums caused rows between them and she made it very clear that she didn't like me and actually blamed me for a lot of stuff. I actually remember one time when I was having a conversation with my brother and she just shoved herself in front of me and started her own conversation with him, ending ours Hmm Confused I kind of feel like she has gone out of her way to isolate him over the years. Not wanting to join us for dinner or leaving birthdays and BBQs early because she didn't want to be there

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Hankunamatata · 25/10/2021 20:53

Your brother made his choices here, you need to set blame at his door.

Bizziee · 25/10/2021 20:54

Maybe I'm just holding on to far to much anger towards her. But I know my brother being friends with my ex is totally his choice and his alone

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Natty13 · 25/10/2021 20:56

So your ex threatened to KIDNAP YOUR SON and your brother can't see the problem with that?! No more needs to be said. Grieve your brother with support from outside of your family if you need to and don't discuss them any more within it. Your aim should be to be done with them without feeding in to any more drama.

Hankunamatata · 25/10/2021 20:58

In gf positioning in the beginning I'd be pretty annoyed to find out I have no room to stay in when I arrive in the uk in 4 weeks time. Your brother shared too much and should have kept that argument between himself and gf as it created bad feeling from the very start with his whole family towards gf

Hankunamatata · 25/10/2021 20:59

Its def your brother here you need to be angry with, not displacing it on his gf

Bizziee · 25/10/2021 21:00

No, he can't. My brother thinks I'm being unreasonable in keeping my son from his dad despite being fully aware of everything that's gone on. Just needed some outside advice as it was eating me up

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Sittingonabench · 25/10/2021 21:02

Cut contact with your brother and the girlfriend. Issues in their relationship are of their own making and will catch them up. For the sake of the family I would close the door but don’t lock it - your brother may need you at some point and although his behaviour has been terrible and probably unforgivable - him being cut off from the whole family leaves him in a dangerous position. If he comes back to himself one day I would support the rest of the family helping him but don’t engage yourself until you are sure he understands the seriousness of his actions.

Bizziee · 25/10/2021 21:03

Also, I do agree with what everyone is saying about my brothers girlfriend. My hatred towards her has always been my own but it was her that involved my mum which then spoke to me. It's unfortunate that the rest became involved and maybe I should have done more to stop that. It's just hard when they all know what I went through with my ex and knowing that my brother is like his best mate

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Bizziee · 25/10/2021 21:06

I will of course keep the door open too. He's my brother at the end of the day and we were extremely close growing up. For now though, I need to let him go because I can't have that in my life right now I've got enough to deal with where the ex is concerned

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LizzieSiddal · 25/10/2021 21:09

As someone else said, it’s all too much drama for anyone. Your brother is not a nice person if he is still in contact with your Ex who is abusive, so you unfortunately need to distance yourself from your brother.

You say you’ve moved in with a new partner, concentrate on your new family and live a happy life. Flowers

Sweetpeasaremadeofcheese · 25/10/2021 21:18

Something happens to (hopefully not all) men when they grow up...I grew up in a very abusive, hopeless home. My younger brother, sister and I were all we had. Sooo close. Us against the world. Until when he was a teenager and he held a knife a to me to impress my mother's junky boyfriend who I was yelling at because he'd just robbed me.
And after that a few incidents have showed me that when it's convenient he is my best mate. But if it suits him he'd leave me bleeding in the gutter. Not bother getting in contact for years if he's not bothered. My sister on the other hand would die for me.

Bizziee · 25/10/2021 21:29

Wow that's crazy I'm so sorry for you. It's a wonder how some family members can act like that and I've never understood it. We too grew up in a hostile environment but us girls have made a real effort to move away from it and have better lives. The boys however did not. My youngest brother isn't a train wreck but didn't turn out to be such a nice person it seems and it makes me sad. I'm glad to have my sisters though and my mum. We look out for each other and are very close

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Hydrate · 25/10/2021 21:45

Was your ex charged for threatening you with death, or was a restraining order set against him?

Littlepaws18 · 25/10/2021 22:12

@nitsandwormsdodger

Toooooo looooog Basically you live with your sil and brother but don’t get on with her ( ( you did not explain the row with her clearly , so um super confused about that )

Can you take her out for a drink and clear the air ?

Wow what a rude and cruel response. I hope no one reduces your issues into one incredibly unempathetic line. Be respectful and responsible with your advice.
Littlepaws18 · 25/10/2021 22:18

I can understand your fear of photos taken from your social media and given to your ex. I took my ex to court, who was incredibly violent. He took one of the photos of our baby and used it as his profile picture (which was public not private) then posted a whole host of antisemitic, racist, misogynistic, vile comments next to her picture- and any one could view it. What your brother did was a safety risk for your child and completely disrespectful to you. This is definitely a no contact reason, if he can't see the dangers he potentially put his nephew in.

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