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I'm struggling to move past the things my brother said and did

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Bizziee · 25/10/2021 09:43

I come from a pretty big family being one of six so as you can imagine, personalities clash, there can be arguments from time to time and we don't always agree. But generally we are all very close and have family gatherings on birthdays and holidays etc. I've always had a particularly strong bond with my youngest brother but ever since his now fiancée walked on the scene 4 years ago he's barely been around and our relationship has taken a real hit. I'm not going to stand here and say that I ever liked this girl, because I haven't and I'm not the only one. She's very difficult to talk to and I always felt that she thought she was better than us with her stuck up ways and princess attitude. She seemed to make my brother very happy though so for the sake of keeping the peace we kept our mouths shut. Until recently.
I have a 2 year old son and although his dad is sort of around it has never been easy. This man treated me appallingly, was manipulative, is a total narcissist, has threatened me with everything you can think of over the years and has generally made my life a living hell. I left him when I was 4 months pregnant and because I had nowhere to go I was forced to move back home with my mum. My younger brother very generously gave up his room for me which I wasn't comfortable with but we decided it was the better option since the only other room was the attic and they didn't want me climbing a ladder. When his girlfriend found out who was due to be moving over from Greece, threw the mother of all hissy fits and had a blaring argument over the phone with my brother. Baring in mind this girl could have easily gone with student accommodation which is what she would have done anyway had she not met my brother! The attic was now out of the question and I was wrong to be there. It's safe to say that my mum was pretty furious about this but did her best not to upset my brother as I did too but I now felt even more uncomfortable and at my most vulnerable time. So fast forward a month and she finally arrives, I'm still carrying feelings of anger towards her, she clearly does not like me but we exchange pleasantries and carry on minding our own business. My relationship with my brother is becoming more and more strained and I'm feeling more and more in the way and desperate to find my own place. We live in the most expensive city in the UK though so this wasn't going to be easy and I was forced to find help through the council and if any of you have ever been in this situation, you'll know how long and drawn out this process can take. I looked to private rent so I could get out sooner but everyone kept advising me against it and my mum didn't want me to leave. I ended up being there until my son was just a few months old and although I'm super appreciative of the help I got from my mum, it was not easy being under the same roof as little miss princess and my brother who seemed to fall at her feet trying to make her happy. Now, going back to my ex. Even though I had left him, at that time I still wanted him to be in our sons life but it didn't come without it's costs. He was constantly nasty to me, said horrible things about my mum and her house, threatened to take full custody once my son was born and belittled me. When things got especially bad I tried to talk to my brother about it as we always had before and he gave me the cold shoulder! He actually took my ex's side and tried to blame me for his disgusting behaviour. It hurt me so much and my once sweet and caring brother just seemed like this entirely different person altogether. I couldn't understand how he could take my ex's side who had threatened to kill me, thrown things at me and took off running down the road with our month old baby in the middle of the night. Throughout the years he has continued to have a friendship with this man and it has always bothered me but because of the way he took his side that time, I couldn't bring myself to have much contact with him anymore and we went for the next 2 years without speaking. He missed my birthday and my sons first birthday. Before that we had never missed a single one and used to spoil each other with inside joke presents and make a massive deal out of it. It's like I've lost one of my best friends. We only just started talking again a few months ago when I told him I was moving to live with my now partner who I absolutely adore. He came and took some stuff from my flat that I didn't need anymore (without his girlfriend) and we got chatting just like old times. It was lush and I felt like we were getting back to how we used to be. Then, one night while the ex was giving me his usual bullshit about this and that, he sent me some pictures of my son. Pictures that I had taken on my phone and uploaded to my social media. I don't have my ex on anything and have blocked him after he harassed me and was stalking me. My heart sank as I realised how he had gotten them. My brother. Instead of jumping to conclusions though I asked him outright and sure enough, it was him. He said he didn't think anything of it and it was totally innocent for my ex to want some pictures of our son even though I send him pictures and he has video calls with him. We are going through a legal battle right now over my son after he threatened to take him out of the country. I was furious, hurt and felt like he had crossed the line with his total disregard for my trust. We ended up having a bit of a row about it, me trying to explain why that was wrong and not his place to take MY pictures from MY social media without even running it by me or mentioning that my ex had asked, and him shouting at me, insulting me calling me fucking snowflake of all things and telling me to get off my high horse. By that point I was literally raging and basically told him that I never want any contact with him ever again. How could he do that? How could he not know or even care that that was over the line? He has never made an effort to meet my son or wish him a happy birthday but he did through my ex!! They would meet up for fucking lunch dates! And to top it off, I then get the rudest message I think I've ever read from his girlfriend!!! Telling me to leave him alone and that I'm causing him stress by bringing my shitty little life and tantrums in to his! Or how I've apparently caused 4 years of hurt to their relationship even though we haven't seen or spoke for the last 2! She even started messaging my mum for some kind of justification to the whole situation and got the exact same response that she got from me. I'm just blown away by it and have since blocked them both and made it very clear that I want no contact with either of them but I just can't shake it. It's all really bothering me and I'm still pretty bloody angry about it. Was I right to react the way I did? I don't want to cause trouble for my family who are all on my side but it still hurts so much that he can continue to have this friendship with my ex that has caused so much shit over the years, not just to me but my family too and my son. My brother who I once cared so deeply for is now this total stranger that I don't even recognise. I don't want him to be isolated from his family either but we're all just so shocked at what he did and how he spoke to me. Sorry for the really long post I've been holding on to this for days and it's making me crazy Sad

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MushMonster · 25/10/2021 22:34

You do have a huge stress and battle on your hands OP with you ex contact with your child. You need all your energy to focus on that and keep as chilled as possible for your little one.
Your brother has decided to be like this. Just leave them to it. You have enough in your plate.
I know how painful it is, I really do. But there is no other way, and it is not his girlfriend, it is 100% him. He is not a toy, he is a grown man, and he decides how he treats his family.

Sickoffamilydrama · 26/10/2021 01:35

@Bizziee

Wow that's crazy I'm so sorry for you. It's a wonder how some family members can act like that and I've never understood it. We too grew up in a hostile environment but us girls have made a real effort to move away from it and have better lives. The boys however did not. My youngest brother isn't a train wreck but didn't turn out to be such a nice person it seems and it makes me sad. I'm glad to have my sisters though and my mum. We look out for each other and are very close
Came back to the thread as I can't sleep 🙄 and this really resonates with me.

Was your father the cause of the hostile environment by any chance? Sadly if so then your bro has probably internalised his behaviour from a young age.

unluckyinlife · 26/10/2021 08:05

Sorry it wasn't immediately clear to me by your OP, but does your ex currently have any contact? if so I personally think if you were happy for the pics to be on social media, there was no problem your ex seeing them, even if you brother sending them felt like a betrayal. I can understand you feeling betrayed by your brother having contact with your ex and wouldn't personally be doing the same in this situation. But I think you over reacted over the photos. That being said your brothers fiancee shouldn't have got involved.

User112 · 26/10/2021 08:16

Your brother has been with his GF for FOUR years. Surely he likes her? Your main problem is your brother and ex. Your brother’s gf has nothing to do with this ? What’s exactly your problem with her??
Why is your loving brother friends with your abusive ex? There is something missing here OP. You are not telling us something.

Bizziee · 26/10/2021 08:40

My ex hasn't been charged for threatening to kill me no but the police are taking it very seriously. I've kept logs of his nasty messages for years but those sorts of threats are either to my face or over the phone and I haven't managed to catch him out yet. I am in the process of taking out an injunction against him though and with the many police reports I've made against him I'll have a good case to go to court with when the time comes

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Bizziee · 26/10/2021 08:47

Sorry, trying to reply to everyone but I don't seem to get messages as they come in.
As of now, my ex does not have any contact with my son and he won't have contact until we have a court order as I don't trust him and I'm scared I wont get my son back.
Also, my social media is pretty private. I don't have people I don't know on there and my ex and his family are blocked from everything because they were causing trouble. I couldn't take my son to the park without my ex hounding me that I was doing something wrong. Or see family members without him saying my son shouldn't be around them. He threatened to take out injunctions against my mum. Yes my son has video calls with his dad and I don't mind him having pictures, but what I don't like is my ex using my brother to get them

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Bizziee · 26/10/2021 08:53

@User112 Of course my brother likes his girlfriend, they very recently got engaged and you're right that she has nothing to do with this, I see that now. I guess I was just holding on to feelings and hate towards her because I do genuinely feel that she pushed me away from my brother at the start of their relationship. He became very distant from the family once they started dating and it was often because she didn't want to be around us. My brother is friends with my ex because before things became extremely sour between us he would come and visit me and have drinks with my ex. It just carried on from there and instead of seeing how he was treating me he decided to believe exs lies and feel sorry for him. In his eyes, he's just a man that wants to see his son and I am somehow to blame for his behaviour. If you've read any of my earlier posts you'll see that this man lied to me for the 3 years we were together. I didn't meet his family for 2 and that's when it all started coming out. The gambling, the lying about families jobs, owning multiple houses or stupid things like horses. Being able to drive or that his dad is dead when he isn't. The list goes on and on

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Bizziee · 26/10/2021 08:58

@Sickoffamilydrama my dad was the cause of our hostile environment yes and most definitely the reason my brothers turned out the way they did. I have 3 brothers, the youngest is the one we've been talking about. I have another younger brother who sadly cannot even deal with life and doesn't know how to conduct himself around people and then my eldest brother who I used to adore and look up to. He became very hostile towards us though and made things very difficult for my mum so we all had to cut contact

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Airyfairymarybeary · 26/10/2021 09:06

When you post on social media, images are no longer your own.

Doomscrolling · 26/10/2021 09:15

From your brother’s perspective, you’ve been horrible about his partner from the start, and your ex is telling him you were just as horrible to him. This is his mate, so your DB believes him; it reinforces DB’s view about how mean you are about his girlfriend/fiancée.

Your ex is a horrible abusive nightmare, and I’ve nothing but sympathy for you. Your brother sided against you, and that’s very painful.

However, so much of your post is really nasty about his partner when she’s totally irrelevant to your ex and your brother that I’m not surprised your brother is increasingly estranged. She’s princessy, you hate her, she’s poisoned him against you etc etc - this is the woman he’s choosing to spend his life with.

We don’t have to like or agree with our family’s’ choices of partners. But if you make that obvious, there’s no point being surprised when they side with others rather than you. It hurts, but it happens.

SeasonFinale · 26/10/2021 09:20

I think you have realised by now that you are mixing issues.

You dislike your brother's girlfriend and blame her that he is now not close to you. It would seem you never actually gave her a chance and just went down the "she's a princess" route. Of course this would upset your brother and make him think badly of you, if you can't accept the person he loves.

Maybe there is an element of tit for tat and he therefore has taken the ex's side. Maybe he hasn't seen how bad it is with ex and thinks you are being unreasonable in the custody issue. Maybe all the drama about staying at your mum's has made him seen you as the unreasonable one.

The reality is however close siblings are when they get partners they love that partner invariably does and should come first. Perhaps your constant and obvious dislike of his fiancee has driven him away.

As for social media don't post pictures of your baby if you don't want them to get to the ex. It may be your brother or it may not be. Even if private if you have put them on a profile or story then they are public.

Bizziee · 26/10/2021 09:27

@Doomscrolling You're right, you are totally right. I did really try to be friends with her though it was just very difficult given that she made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. Maybe that was my fault? Man I feel like such an asshole now Sad of all his girlfriends she was the hardest to get along with and her little snarky comments towards me made me mad. She didn't like me from the second my brother introduced me to her and I never understood why

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Bizziee · 26/10/2021 09:36

Just want to thank everyone for their replies it is super appreciated. I can see now that perhaps I have been wrong in some of my own actions towards my brother and his girlfriend. It was no secret that I disliked her and I should have kept it to myself even if the feelings with her were mutual. Not sure that can ever be repaired but for the sake of my brother, I will try. In time. Maybe when things with my ex are sorted and we have a proper child arrangement order in place and I can feel safe. Thanks everyone xxxx

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Doomscrolling · 26/10/2021 10:01

@Bizziee, I do empathise. One of my DB’s LTR was with exactly the sort of person I am not - we really rubbed each other up the wrong way. We got along in public for my brother’s sake but it was VERY hard work. I’m sure we both ranted about the other as soon as we got home - an armed truce was as good as it got.
I was so relieved when they split up.

But I knew if I’d not been nice to her I wouldn’t see my brother much. He’s a butthead, but he’s our butthead.

Bizziee · 26/10/2021 10:11

@Doomscrolling Haha, I love that. My brother in painfully opiniated these days and although I'm very proud of how he's grown he has become hugely arrogant and I hate that. He reminds me of my dad and he was a total douche. Families aye!!!

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lucie8881 · 26/10/2021 10:35

It may be from the outset the GF was a little jealous of how close you and your brother were, setting the tone for her behaviour towards you? Truth is you'll never know the reason you and GF started off on the wrong foot, your brother sided with her and equally didn't call her out on rude behaviour in the beginning, thus giving it justification.

Unfortunately that's the past and can't be undone, and as a previous poster said it's really set the narrative that you are the unreasonable and controlling person in these relationships, however unfair that may be.

I think it's natural to be upset in these circumstance, not only by your brothers behaviour right now but also mourning the relationship you once had. You're doing the right thing by distancing yourself and your son.

I hope in time your brother does reflect and sees things differently but I don't know how likely that would be, he seems he seems quite comfortable painting you as the bad guy.

EishetChayil · 26/10/2021 10:38

Jesus - paragraphs!

Bizziee · 26/10/2021 11:20

@lucie8881 You know I have always wondered if she was a little jealous or in some way threatened by my relationship with my brother. From the get go I always got this strange stand off kind of vibe from her. Talking to her was like trying to pry sweets from a child, it just didn't go well.
I am going to distance myself for now though, let the dust settle. I don't think we'll ever get back to how we were but if I'm ever going to have any kind of relationship with my brother, I must first fix my relationship with her

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nitsandwormsdodger · 26/10/2021 15:47

Littlepaws18

What a hasty, Rude judgemental response ! please read my full responses (pasted see below) before becoming the thread police
You read a rude tone that wasn’t there at all, I was kindly trying to sum it up NOT diminish anything that the op has been through , as I have also been through v similar myself

Sorry just read more of your op

Your ex is violent and abusive and should only see your son in a contact centre and you and your family should have absolutely nothing / No contact what so ever
Get a restraining order now

Ahhhh just read whole post
So sorry your brother is choosing his gf over you and your need for support
Hopefully he will dump gf and your relationship will repair
Keep your distance from both these men and focus on your little fella and your future
Never have big rows over text or social media it’s so tacky and easily made worse with mis understandings

Keep away , say nothing to anyone the family as it will get back to him and not in the way you want it to . Talk a lot to friends and unconnected people , ask your gp for therapy for your DV relationship and the stress you are Under
Keep way from ex and bro xxx

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