How will vaccine passports help?

[Dancerinthedark01]

How will they help the spread of Covid?

I’ve been thinking the same, what’s the point of them? I’m recovering from Covid despite being double jabbed. The jab probably made me less ill but didn’t stop me passing it to my DH who is also double jabbed.

They won't, just cause faff and queues. They decrease spread a bit and hopefully decrease serious illness by a lot. But the latter is a personal issue.

I can sort of see the logic with nightclubs, but on the other hand they are frequented by the demographic least likely to get ill anyway.

I do wish people would wear masks on trains though. And get the windows open in places.

Because if you've been vaccinated you're less likely to have Covid and transmit it.
It's not 100% effective.
The odds are, if you're in a museum/restaurant with all vaccinated/holding current negative test results, you're less likely to catch it because the company you're in is less likely to have it.

There are other threads saying masks don't stop covid spreading and vaccine passports won't either... meanwhile people in countries like France are calmly wearing masks indoors and on public transport and using vaccine passports to get into restaurants and indoor events and guess what, the covid rates are far lower than the U.K. at present.

They will be expensive to implement too - won’t they?

@wombwithawiew

There are other threads saying masks don't stop covid spreading and vaccine passports won't either... meanwhile people in countries like France are calmly wearing masks indoors and on public transport and using vaccine passports to get into restaurants and indoor events and guess what, the covid rates are far lower than the U.K. at present.

Exactly. Why are people so resistant to this and other common sense?

I don't see why they should be expensive. The passes are read by an app.

Because my aunties next door neighbours brother's cat has read somewhere on the internet that masks don't work (why do surgeons wear them) and vaccines are not effective (very few vaccinated people in intensive care).
People in many other countries still wear masks and have to show vaccine passports for nonessential shopping and their infection rates have plummeted.

They won’t

They won't help

And they are fundamentally a revolting non democratic idea

There has been rioting every week for some time in France - I'd imagine we'd be the same. It is so so so so wrong to give away our freedoms in such a way

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1507289/france-vaccine-passport-health-pass-protests-coronavirus-latest-news-vn

I have been to France since vaccine passports introduced and to be fair they are quite easily done. But they literally make no difference to anything - I could still have had Covid.

Because if you've been vaccinated you're less likely to have Covid and transmit it.
It's not 100% effective.
The odds are, if you're in a museum/restaurant with all vaccinated/holding current negative test results, you're less likely to catch it because the company you're in is less likely to have it.

Yes but for how long? When is someone no longer considered fully vaccinated? 6 months it would seem. So unless everyone is getting a booster 6 months after their 2nd vacc they're as good as unvaccinated, particularly where spread is concerned.
Unless the scientists can establish how long vaccines are actually effective for passports are completely pointless.
In fact I read today that those infected with delta have the same protection as someone double vaccinated. If they're going to carry on with passports then infection acquired immunity also needs to be considered.

Where I live we’ve had them since March and they do work. Cases are low, the third wave never got bad, Delta hasn’t really affected the numbers much. Transmission is now mostly identified in small social situation such as family or friends gatherings only.

They don’t cause faff or queues. I’m yet to stand in a queue for longer than a minute whilst they check Covid passes. Same amount of standing I would’ve done beforehand when queuing for a restaurant or a concert.

It’s not just vaccine passports though, a

@hamstersarse

They won't help

And they are fundamentally a revolting non democratic idea

There has been rioting every week for some time in France - I'd imagine we'd be the same. It is so so so so wrong to give away our freedoms in such a way

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1507289/france-vaccine-passport-health-pass-protests-coronavirus-latest-news-vn

I have been to France since vaccine passports introduced and to be fair they are quite easily done. But they literally make no difference to anything - I could still have had Covid.

If they make no difference to anything why did we have 40,000 cases and over 200 deaths yesterday and France have 5,000 cases and 49 deaths?

Passports wont help to reduce transmission at all, a negative test result would be much more helpful as a vaccinated person can be infected & infect others. I'm double vaccinated but the idea of medical domestic passports concerns me alot

You are less likely to get severely ill if vaccinated and less likely to catch covid or be severely ill.

Hypothetical example: Vaccine passports in place - 4 friends all vaccinated go to pub. 2 catch covid - none need to be hospitalised. 2 don’t catch it.

No vaccine passport - 4 friends all unvaccinated for to pub. All catch covid - 2 are fine, 2 require hospitalisation and 1 of those needs an ICU bed - increased pressure on NHS and ICU.

Makes perfect sense to me.

@Dancerinthedark01

How will they help the spread of Covid?

That is not the point of them. Covid passports serve two purposes. The government can say that it was doing something and blame people if it doesn't work. When the government then introduce digital ID cards they will say, but its not much different from a covid passport and you were happy using those.

If they make no difference to anything why did we have 40,000 cases and over 200 deaths yesterday and France have 5,000 cases and 49 deaths?

Which just goes to show how well we are doing in the UK.
The French have 1 death for every 100 cases, whereas here in mighty Boris lead Britain we have 200 cases for every death.

@Dochas121

You are less likely to get severely ill if vaccinated and less likely to catch covid or be severely ill.

Hypothetical example: Vaccine passports in place - 4 friends all vaccinated go to pub. 2 catch covid - none need to be hospitalised. 2 don’t catch it.

No vaccine passport - 4 friends all unvaccinated for to pub. All catch covid - 2 are fine, 2 require hospitalisation and 1 of those needs an ICU bed - increased pressure on NHS and ICU.

Makes perfect sense to me.

But another hypothetical scenario is, sane as yours but all the unvaccinated group are healthy mid 20’s and none of them get covid and all the vaccinated group are in their 50’s and not in the best of health and they all get covid and 3 need hospital treatment. Who’s to say what could happen? I don’t think vaccine passports make much difference.

@Toty

Because if you've been vaccinated you're less likely to have Covid and transmit it. It's not 100% effective. The odds are, if you're in a museum/restaurant with all vaccinated/holding current negative test results, you're less likely to catch it because the company you're in is less likely to have it.

Yes but for how long? When is someone no longer considered fully vaccinated? 6 months it would seem. So unless everyone is getting a booster 6 months after their 2nd vacc they're as good as unvaccinated, particularly where spread is concerned.
Unless the scientists can establish how long vaccines are actually effective for passports are completely pointless.
In fact I read today that those infected with delta have the same protection as someone double vaccinated. If they're going to carry on with passports then infection acquired immunity also needs to be considered.

Covid passes in the countries that have them have a validity. As far as I know those countries are rolling out boosters now, so the pass validity becomes automatically extended as the system is centrally managed.

@DayKay but unvaccinated are far more likely to get seriously ill with covid. Vaccine has around a 95% effectiveness at preventing hospitalisation so your scenario about those in 50’s is statistically very unlikely.

Whereas in Ireland where I am 65% of ICU patients are unvaccinated so keeping the unvaccinated out of enclosed spaces and spaces where they are likely to catch covid is just sensible and will hopefully keep pressure off the health system.

Showing vaccine certs works very well here and is easy and quick to implement.

[quote Dochas121]@DayKay but unvaccinated are far more likely to get seriously ill with covid. Vaccine has around a 95% effectiveness at preventing hospitalisation so your scenario about those in 50’s is statistically very unlikely.

Whereas in Ireland where I am 65% of ICU patients are unvaccinated so keeping the unvaccinated out of enclosed spaces and spaces where they are likely to catch covid is just sensible and will hopefully keep pressure off the health system.

Showing vaccine certs works very well here and is easy and quick to implement.[/quote]
Well said.

[quote EileenGC]Where I live we’ve had them since March and they do work. Cases are low, the third wave never got bad, Delta hasn’t really affected the numbers much. Transmission is now mostly identified in small social situation such as family or friends gatherings only.

They don’t cause faff or queues. I’m yet to stand in a queue for longer than a minute whilst they check Covid passes. Same amount of standing I would’ve done beforehand when queuing for a restaurant or a concert.

It’s not just vaccine passports though, a

When the government then introduce digital ID cards

Most of Europe has ID cards, now turning digital. Has had for decades. I was issued my first ID card over 20 years ago, when I was born. We’re not controlled by some bizarre force in the government, it’s just a card like your driving licence, with your address and fingerprints on it, which once every 5 years the police ask for when they stop you on the highway. Really not a big deal.

@EileenGC

When the government then introduce digital ID cards

Most of Europe has ID cards, now turning digital. Has had for decades. I was issued my first ID card over 20 years ago, when I was born. We’re not controlled by some bizarre force in the government, it’s just a card like your driving licence, with your address and fingerprints on it, which once every 5 years the police ask for when they stop you on the highway. Really not a big deal.

Most of the Europe doesn't have Boris Johnson and his gang as Prime Minister...

I’ll give you that one!

My point still stands, how is the government preparing to control you via ID cards? What information could they contain that they don’t already have? We all have phones and social media and location and Bluetooth on and what not, but it’s a card with your date of birth on it that’s going to give them information? Even the police have software to basically put your name in and find out anything they want within seconds.