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SIL spending all MILs savings, MIL making excuses due to SIL health

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A2011 · 20/10/2021 08:54

Hi, 1st time posting so hope I can put issue across clearly. Found out due to MIL hinting that she was skint that SIL (her daughter) has been 'borrowing' lots of money. Each month MILs outgoings is higher than her income but as the income includes the savings we has to intervene as savings (over 2k) are now gone. I say we, I as DIL did most of the talking as hubby doesn't like confrontation. Highlighted to both of them that MIL can no longer afford to lend £. SIL is on benefits as she has MS so said we would help SIL if she was struggling. SIL says she's on the breadline, they have no money and show us she has £3.80 in her account. MIL says they help each other out, SIL does pay for MILs shopping sometimes & has paid back a bit but it is a small fraction of what has gone. SIL shares her statements & these tell a different story. She is only struggling to fund a severe spending habit. 4 different TV subscriptions, £26 pm on lottery, £25 dog treat subscription, takeaways. Food shopping in Sainsburys not Aldi & certainly not the food bank! I should add that she has a fiance who contributes over half his wages, she has more than enough to cover all normal outgoings & some left over. MIL only made excuses, saying she herself needs to cut back, she is spending next to nothing herself, she likes to pay for her daughters & grand daughters weekly horse riding (I know!) and has enough herself (pensions & benefits) to do that but can continue to the extent it has been. I think she overcompensates because SIL has health issues, DH is going to take over online banking and change password, MIL says "oh but SIL will get upset". We helped SIL save some £ by cancelling some unnecessary bills but there is still work to do. Until SIL can face the real issue (overspending possibly addiction) it isn't going to be resolved fully. MIL has told us to back off for a bit, as SIL is getting headaches. We are waiting for the bank password. I think she'll get worse when we lock her out. I don't think fiance knows everything, he gets a lot of blame from SIL and MIL, he doesn't do a lot around home, he works 12 hour shifts and as said he contributes. MiL never mentions the positives about him, always negative whereas SIL can do no wrong. Have told DH he needs to be firm, not "sorry we upset". I struggle as I always try to be reasonable and with her health it is a worry but there's a part of me that feels she is manipulative & not used to hearing no. I've said I will help DH with laying out all the figures for info and he needs to step up. Don't think either SIL or MIL 'get it' yet. Sorry for long post, think it therapeutic to get it all out, trying not to feel conflicted, like I'm being firm but fair without feeling like a b!tch!

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AutumnLeafy · 20/10/2021 09:49

Did SIL ask for help sorting out her money? How did you manage to cancel her subscriptions?!

Anyway unless DH has POA over his mum's money he shouldn't be stopping her access. I'm not sure of the legality of that.

Ughmaybenot · 20/10/2021 09:55

Also! Your DH has done you a real disservice in pushing you to do all the talking. Blood is, nearly always, thicker than water, and now you’ll be blamed for meddling and getting over-involved because your husband was too bloody spineless to use his words to his own family!
I’m presuming when you say about changing the online banking log in details, you mean it’ll be then ‘blocked’ from SIL not MIL? You’re on ridiculously dodgy ground there else.

JaneDoe21 · 20/10/2021 09:58

If MIL wants to make herself penny less you need to let her get on with it.
Locking them out of their own banking - seriously wtf?

TheUnbearable · 20/10/2021 10:00

cheeseismydownfall this is exactly what we have. It really does my head in plus I worry we will somehow feel obliged to assist. With my SIL it’s pure self indulgent shit like buy a timeshare.

Gimlisaxe · 20/10/2021 10:00

& grand daughters weekly horse riding

Are these your daughters?

Kiduknot · 20/10/2021 10:04

By all means tell them straight that their current situation is unmanageable. Offer to help if that’s what they want, but you can’t go in over riding their wishes and upsetting them. Tell them where it will end if they don’t change their ways then back off completely unless either of them directly ask for help.

Don’t offer to bail either of them out with money though. Make that clear from the start that will never be an option.

Beautiful3 · 20/10/2021 10:09

He can't do that unless he has power of attorney. I know its hard to see but he cannot take over her finances like that, unless he has permission. Otherwise its elder abuse (financial control). I would take a big step back and only help when she asks for it.

PackedintheUK · 20/10/2021 10:13

What's so terrible about a grandmother spending her savings on horse riding lessons for DGC if that's what she wants to do?

Nothing to do with you or DH

edwinbear · 20/10/2021 10:17

This has absolutely nothing to do with you, you're not actually married yet are you? This is between your partner, his mum and sister.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 20/10/2021 10:17

Are you being asked to help financially?
If so then you really need to say no or you'll be bled dry too.

Otherwise you need to leave them to it. It is absolutely not your place to take control of their finances. Unless they lack capacity (legally) then how they spend money is their choice, even if they fuck it up.

edwinbear · 20/10/2021 10:19

And agree with PP, your partner cannot insist on taking over his mother's finances and locking her out of her own bank account without POA. If she has mental capacity, she can spend her money on whatever she likes, why does your partner think he knows better than his mum about her financial affairs?

BurntO · 20/10/2021 10:19

They are both telling you to butt out of their business so STOP. Going through your SILs bank statements and judging her, putting it on here? Who do you think you are?

AutumnLeafy · 20/10/2021 10:21

Food shopping in Sainsburys not Aldi i find it really weird you would judge someone for this.

JSL52 · 20/10/2021 10:22

Another one struggling to see how it's your business ?

FKATondelayo · 20/10/2021 10:26

DH is going to take over online banking and change password, MIL says "oh but SIL will get upset"... MIL has told us to back off for a bit, as SIL is getting headaches. We are waiting for the bank password. I think she'll get worse when we lock her out.

What you're doing is very likely illegal and I hope MIL and SIL are able to escape yours and your husband's control.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 20/10/2021 10:37

Beleive me, as the messenger you will get shot!
Agree, back off and out if it. These are 2 grown women.

sillysmiles · 20/10/2021 10:39

I'm guessing your concern is that long term your MIL is going to end up with nothing and then it will fall on you and your DH to support her while your SIL has pissed it against a wall.

I think, so long as your DH keeps talking to his mum about what he is doing, then fine, work away. Your MIL obviously is looking for someone to help her or she wouldn't have been dropping hints.
All you can do is support your husband and let him deal with his family, because I suspect this will get worse before it gets better!

sillysmiles · 20/10/2021 10:41

What you're doing is very likely illegal and I hope MIL and SIL are able to escape yours and your husband's control.

I would assume that the MIL has given her son permission to do this.
So she wants it sorted but doesn't want to upset the SIL.

Puddstalk · 20/10/2021 10:50

While my thoughts would be that this is nothing to do with the OP, I also understand that it can become very much her business if her DH has to start financially supporting the MIL.

Iwonder08 · 20/10/2021 11:06

How is this your business?

FKATondelayo · 20/10/2021 11:46

I would assume that the MIL has given her son permission to do this.

So? SIL is an adult.

sillysmiles · 20/10/2021 12:43

So? SIL is an adult.

So? Her being an adult doesn't stop her from being financially abusive to an older person?

Stompythedinosaur · 20/10/2021 12:47

Unless there's a doubt about her capacity I'd say it is ultimately your mil's decision.

Are the riding lessons for your dc? I'd pay yourself if so, it is mad for an older woman on a limited income to fund such an expensive hobby.

Billandben444 · 20/10/2021 12:48

Well, that's probably seen the OP off!

A2011 · 20/10/2021 21:19

Thanks for replies, going to try to answer main points. MIL had been on phone to DH saying she is worried about money, she is skint, can't afford to fix her stairlift. He has helped get best deals on utilities before and that's where we started.
Noticed on MIL's statements the frequent amounts going to SIL. SIL has the access to MILs online banking, MIL doesn't understand how to use it. We didn't know about this & think it was SILs idea to set it up. It is SIL DH wants to cease access to it, (dont think I explained that well) MIL has her card uses post office, she likely still lend and that is her choice & she knows what she can afford but SIL won't be able to just help herself without MIL knowing which at the amount and frequency it is happening she cannot afford. If SIL carries on, MIL will not be able to cover her own bills, Inc rent and wants to remain in her home. DH and I through caring about MIL can't just stand back and watch that happen, our actions come from wanting to help & stick up for MIL. We're frustrated that MIL makes excuses, SIL makes out she's in poverty to us all when she isn't & MIL is too kind, to her own detriment.
MIL has said she is too soft, she didn't seem aware of all that SIL was taking but at the point which her savings have gone started voicing concerns to DH (even if only vague). Get the feeling she just doesn't feel she can raise it with SIL but is relieved DH now knows, due to money worries.
We felt we had to say to SIL, it has to stop or MIL will lose her home, said to MIL we would say something, MIL said OK but yo say WE were worried. Feel she wanted someone else to help.
SIL did not like being called out, said she was on the breadline, no money coming in and blatantly sent 6 months of statements to DH, I couldn't understand why she decided to do that but it's what makes me think she cannot see she has a problem as its clear from her statements she has more than enough and doesn't back up her claims at all.
DH worked through SILs bills with her, she was paying for phones she didn't have, the help here came from her saying she had no money and he offered help.
MIL is suggesting we back off only so as to not upset SIL.
We felt we couldn't do nothing, out of duty of care. As savings are gone the £300 excess she is losing every month will come out of her normal income and eat into her bills. Its difficult when you can see it happening to just say nothing. We feel she is being taken advantage of, SIL is claiming poverty. When we highlighted MIL cannot afford to lose the money, SILs response was "well she's got an overdraft".
DH as the son feels he has to step in, unfortunately leaves the talking to me but I've said I will help him but I'm not interacting with them about it.
Just can't bear to watch MIL keep tightening her belt when SILs dog is on £325 per year dog treats!

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