Would you send you toddler to a nursery with a ' needs improvement ' status?

[sicko]

Just that really. Ofsted report isn't great..

Sorry no ! That's not the status. The status this year is inadequate.

Why do you want to send your child there? Is there another option?
What are the reasons the nursery was deemed inadequate?
I don’t think I would send my child there but I think we need more context.

Probably not.

Well the good news is they'll be reinspected within 6 months and should be pulling out all the stops to fix the problems.

A setting that has had a bad ofsted will be doing everything to get themselves back up and sometimes they rate badly on things like paperwork rather than their childcare.

I'm sending my kid to secondary school next year to a school with an inadequate ofsted whereas there another one nearby which is outstanding. But the inadequate school will be improving and has previously been outstanding a few years before and report. The outstanding school had previously been badly rated too! It can change! Amongst other reasons To send him there like the 'inadequate' school have been extremely welcoming and can offer Ds more support (he has additional needs) and he's much smaller in size.

Sometimes ofsted means nothing. I went to a school which always rated well but in practise it was s**t.

The report talks about poor quality of teaching and poor leadership of staff. Apparently staff don't have high expectations of children's learning and development. Staff don't plan what they want children to learn and are not always prepared when children arrive. Just a couple of things mentioned. It also says safeguarding is not effective.

I'm just desperate and this was available..

@Kb2942

A setting that has had a bad ofsted will be doing everything to get themselves back up and sometimes they rate badly on things like paperwork rather than their childcare.

I'm sending my kid to secondary school next year to a school with an inadequate ofsted whereas there another one nearby which is outstanding. But the inadequate school will be improving and has previously been outstanding a few years before and report. The outstanding school had previously been badly rated too! It can change! Amongst other reasons To send him there like the 'inadequate' school have been extremely welcoming and can offer Ds more support (he has additional needs) and he's much smaller in size.

Sometimes ofsted means nothing. I went to a school which always rated well but in practise it was s**t.

its much smaller in size not he's 😅

@GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat

Well the good news is they'll be reinspected within 6 months and should be pulling out all the stops to fix the problems.

That's what I also thought. I think if they get a good rating, they don't get inspected for 6 years or something. That's ages.

@sicko

The report talks about poor quality of teaching and poor leadership of staff. Apparently staff don't have high expectations of children's learning and development. Staff don't plan what they want children to learn and are not always prepared when children arrive. Just a couple of things mentioned. It also says safeguarding is not effective.

I'm just desperate and this was available..

Have you looked round it? What did you think? I admit those things would probably put me off. DS nursery had some things requiring improvement but they were stuff that I didn't think was very important. Safeguarding would worry me.

Hi OP

I work in the education sector and the safeguarding aspect is a BIG concern for me. If there are improvements needed in safeguarding this would be a red flag for me. Do you have any other options for local nurseries?

I personally wouldn’t send my little one to any nursery where safeguarding is not in line with the Keeping Children Safe in Education (KCSIE) statutory guidance and the safeguarding lead knows how to deal with safeguarding incidents properly. X

The arrangements for safeguarding are not effective.
Leaders fail to follow their own safeguarding procedures in notifying the relevant agencies when a significant incident has occurred, as required. Some staff do not use the nursery's whistle-blowing procedures when children's safety is compromised. For example, they do not feel confident to raise concerns to the leadership team when they are not meeting adult:child ratios, as required. Staff can describe how to identify when a child is at risk of harm. However, they do not know the correct reporting procedures to keep children safe. In addition to this, the provider does not ensure staff supervise children adequately. Children are not always within sight or hearing of adults. This puts children at potential risk of harm

Yeah, no way would I send my child there. Sorry OP.

Honestly OP that does not sound good, especially if the same staff are in place. Careless incompetent people do not suddenly become careful and good. Surely there myst be something else a bit further away? Or a childminder??

Thanks everyone. The issue is, of course me being idiotic, I only read this report after I'd paid the first month. OH well. Back to the drawing board.

I'm not surprised they're the only nursery with places. As most parents with half a brain would dead the report beforehand.

Not an excuse, but I've been so unwell recently, I didn't realise this was so easily available. There is NO excuse for that. I really messed up.

This is very concerning, nurseries need to communicate with authorities such as the LADO to keep children safe and the point about them not knowing the correct reporting procedures for keeping children safe is fundamental. Please look at your other options OP you want your child to be safe and you not have a constant worry.

You didn’t mess up at all OP, you’ve spotted things that are concerning and you can now look at alternatives! I wish you luck in finding an alternative provision x

I sent DS and DD to an 'inadequate' nursery. They were basically done over by an ex member of staff with a grudge, who messed up the paperwork good and proper and then reported them to Ofsted. This happened after DS had been there for over 2 years. They went from outstanding, to inadequate, and back up to outstanding over a period of about 18 months. Their care for DS, the facilities and their communication had always been excellent so I had no qualms about keeping DS there or sending DD when it came to it. That was only because I knew the nursery really well though.

No I wouldn't send a child anywhere with an 'inadequate' rating.

Ofsted doesn't tell the full story, but it does give you a baseline indication of whether a setting is a safe place to leave your child. Somewhere with an inadequate rating is failing the children in a significant way.

Some nurseries are brilliant but there are also some really awful ones. A nursery near me doesn't have outside space and so the children are sometimes taken to the park near my house. The children (toddlers around 1-4 years) are either ignored and left to wander around while the adults chat, or get shouted at. They aren't particularly well supervised and they certainly aren't being interacted with or encouraged to engage in any meaningful activity. And their parents paying £1000+ a month for this.

Nope. Definitely not.

Ofsted is nonsense. Unless the report mentions serious safeguarding concerns, ignore it. Ask to have a look round, talk to parents and see for yourself.

how recent was the inpection, and have you asked the nursery what they are doing to rectify the situation?

I don't go by Ofsted reports after I was asked to keep my SN kid off in infants.

Personally I think Ofsted should visit unexpectedly. Undercover.

Talk to other parents if you're worried.

I wouldn't necessarily go off an ofsted report alone in general, but that one is basically stating that they don't follow up on safeguarding concerns, they don't stick to their ratios and they don't supervise the children. No chance I would use that nursery. In my experience ofsted can be a bit nit-picky, but all that report is the absolute basics of what a nursery should be doing, so very concerning that they can't even manage that

Nope, I added another 30 minutes to my journey to avoid it.