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To think GPs should do their job

579 replies

Wotnokids · 14/10/2021 06:35

Just heard the news that £250million is to be made available to GPs to 'increase the amount of face to face appointments'. AIBU to think this is just extra cash for doing their job?

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julieca · 15/10/2021 01:05

@ARudeTerriblePerson How do you hear GPs slagging off patients or other Drs?
Or are you just telling porkies to whip up hate?

ARudeTerriblePerson · 15/10/2021 01:07

They slag off hospital doctors to my face, during the time which is meant to be my appointment. What am I supposed to do about the fact that they think their hospital colleagues are incompetent?

Sweetnhappy1 · 15/10/2021 01:07

@julieca

And we have a shortage of GPs. This public attack will just make more retire early and leave care worse. It seems to be the default government mode. Attack staff because of the reduction in services caused by your cuts.
While simultaneously deflecting from the publication of "Coronavirus: lessons learned to date" which was released two days ago which showed Covid response ‘one of UK’s worst ever public health failures’. I wonder what other news they are trying to bury at the same time.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58876089

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:08

@ARudeTerriblePerson I have never come across that and I have seen many GPs. Complain to the practice manager because that is not okay.

ARudeTerriblePerson · 15/10/2021 01:10

A great deal about the surgery is not OK.

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:10

@Sweetnhappy1 yes lots more people died because of the government response than should have. It is bloody tragic.
And they seem to be picking a fight with the EU who have offered major concessions around the Brexit deal they signed.

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:13

@ARudeTerriblePerson then change GPs. But do not think that is what GPs are like. I have a brilliant surgery. My relative who has a serious mental illness has a brilliant surgery. GPs and nurses who are great and regularly go beyond what you could expect. I do not want attacks on GPs to just persuade the older GPs in the surgery to retire.
We all have a choice of who we have as our GP. That means we have to do the work to get a really good one for us. And I know that different GPs suit different people.

ARudeTerriblePerson · 15/10/2021 01:16

It will be a great deal easier when there are league tables, and more scrutiny, and hit squads.

Sweetnhappy1 · 15/10/2021 01:17

[quote julieca]@Sweetnhappy1 yes lots more people died because of the government response than should have. It is bloody tragic.
And they seem to be picking a fight with the EU who have offered major concessions around the Brexit deal they signed.[/quote]
It's ridiculous isn't it? Awful awful situation, the government failed miserably at protecting the population but the headlines of the papers are about scrapping social distancing in GP waiting rooms and increasing face to face consultations. Our Covid rates are ridiculously high right now. My vulnerable patients will not be able to safely come and see me as they have been doing thoughout the pandemic, the packed waiting room will kill them.

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:17

No league tables are a shit idea. It won't measure what matters.
And bloody hit squads. GPs will just bloody retire you know.

Everyone I know finds a good GP by asking neighbours and friends. It is how I found mine.

Lancrelady80 · 15/10/2021 01:18

We all have a choice of who we have as our GP. That means we have to do the work to get a really good one for us. And I know that different GPs suit different people.

Ha ha, that's the best joke I've heard all week!

Not everyone has more than one surgery at an accessible distance. I had to travel 20 miles for my regular midwife appointments because of two partnered surgeries, that service was only offered at one of them. My 85 year old diabetic widowed mother, who doesn't drive, has to do the same for the diabetic clinic.

And as for picking the individual GP within a practice...!

Sweetnhappy1 · 15/10/2021 01:19

@ARudeTerriblePerson

It will be a great deal easier when there are league tables, and more scrutiny, and hit squads.
Hit squads to do what exactly? Are they talking about assassination which is what the term means or simply selling the practices to their American chums?

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/26/nhs-gp-practice-operator-with-500000-patients-passes-into-hands-of-us-health-insurer

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:20

@Sweetnhappy1 Yes it is disgusting. One of my friends has cancer. How will she be able to go to the GP if the waiting room is full of people in there seeking treatment for colds and coughs? Most of what people go to the GP with is very minor. Surgeries need to be as safe as they can for patients that really do need to be seen.
But its all about distraction and optics. It has zero to do with what patients actually need.

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:22

@Sweetnhappy1 yep assassinate GPs not doing what the government demand!

@Lancrelady80 it sounds like you live very rural if you had to travel 20 miles for midwife appointments. Yes its always hard if you live rurally as you don't really have a choice with lots of services.

julieca · 15/10/2021 01:23

Basically the Tories are selling off the NHS to the highest bidder. This all has zero to do with patient care. The government don't give a shit about patient care. Just about making money.

Sweetnhappy1 · 15/10/2021 01:27

Do you remember 'How to dismantle the NHS in 10 easy steps'?

www.amazon.co.uk/How-Dismantle-NHS-Easy-Steps/dp/1785350455?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

www.independent.co.uk/voices/how-nhs-being-dismantled-10-easy-steps-10474075.html

We're on step 8 or 9 now.

Summary:

  1. Create a Market.
  2. Introduce Public-Private partnerships.
  3. Facilitate the Corporate Takeover.
  4. Install a Revolving Door.
  5. Organise a Great Big Sell Off.
  6. Run a Smear Campaign.
  7. Legislate for the Dismantling of the NHS.
  8. Plot Against the NHS.
  9. Brew the perfect storm.
10. Introduce Universal Private Health Insurance.
julieca · 15/10/2021 01:31

This all frightens me so much.

ARudeTerriblePerson · 15/10/2021 01:32

You should see your GP, then, @julieca

Sweetnhappy1 · 15/10/2021 01:33

@ARudeTerriblePerson

You should see your GP, then, *@julieca*
You think someone should see their GP for being frightened?
ARudeTerriblePerson · 15/10/2021 01:36

Dunno. Dunno what a chemist might say about it - probably take Rescue Remedy.

LyndaLaHughes · 15/10/2021 01:36

Infrastructure is falling apart due to chronic underfunding of public services and lack of investment- who shall we blame? Immigrants.
Schools have no funding- who shall we blame for the Education system falling apart? Teachers
The NHS has no funding - who shall we blame for the healthcare system falling apart? GPs.

At what point are people going to wake up and realise that we have the worst government in history? Hellbent on destroying our public services whilst making their mates rich off the back of it and blaming hard- working public servants.

Horrendous handing of the pandemic, an unmitigated disaster of a Brexit- which happened purely as a means for certain individuals in the Tory party to gain power.
I despair at how the government- with the media in their back pocket and completely complicit in their lies- is busy fooling the idiots who will still vote for them- that they are anything other than utterly and dangerously incompetent.
We are in a total mess but that is what you get when liars and cheats who care nothing for ordinary people are in charge.

Anyone who is a GP please know that many of us know exactly what is happening, support you and applaud you for your hard work in an unprecedented situation. I despair of the gas-lighting that is happening on a mass scale. Thank you for all you do.

Lancrelady80 · 15/10/2021 01:41

Perhaps what is needed is some kind of approach for the extremely vulnerable. So earlier in the year, we had to wait in our cars to be waved in through the back entrance as waiting rooms were out of use. Maybe keep a similar system in place for the very vulnerable.

It's no good having a go at people going to gp with what you deem minor ailments. Gps are supposed to be general practitioners, to deal regularly with stuff like sore throats and viruses, chicken pox and arthritis, joint pain and ear ache. Because patients are NOT medically trained and don't know if what they have is a bad cold that will clear in time, or something nastier that needs antibiotics, an infection of some sort, pneumonia (GP sent a friend of mine to hospital with pneumonia, he'd only gone with a cough that wouldn't shift.)

Yes, people need to use common sense and not get appointments for superficial cuts, or things that a pharmacy can deal with. But GPs aren't just there for the very serious illnesses. That's not their remit. Perhaps it will evolve to be that - but there needs to be an alternative for those who genuinely don't know how serious something is or isn't. I got sent to hospital because I had back pain - GP had noticed my skin and eyes were yellow, which I hadn't noticed myself. Turned out to be acute pancreatitis, needed urgent treatment. Wouldn't have been spotted via phone consult, video consults not clear enough to pick that up. Pharmacist, I imagine, would just have sold me strong painkillers and/or bounced me back to GP.

Btw, anyone else notice Boris' friend, boss of Boots, announcing £15 gp style appointments about to become available, with pharmacists able to prescribe? Here's widespread privatisation coming into play.

Lancrelady80 · 15/10/2021 01:43

Yes, v rural. Honestly!

Bsically the Tories are selling off the NHS to the highest bidder. This all has zero to do with patient care. The government don't give a shit about patient care. Just about making money.

Yep, totally agree. Bastards.

ARudeTerriblePerson · 15/10/2021 01:47

Well, they may care a bit about re-election and the continuation of the Tory party so they can rest easy in the House of Lords.

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