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How to juggle full time working

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hellywelly3 · 12/10/2021 10:25

Posting here for traffic really. I’ve worked part time evenings, weekends etc since having kids 18 years ago. Now all my kids are out of primary school I really want/need to get back to working more hours. I need a bit more of an office based role after a injury makes being on my feet all day very pain. So looking they tend to be 9-5 m-f.
My question is how do people do things like kids dental appointments, doctors/hospital appointments? My daughter goes to the hospital for her brace. What about getting them to after school activities? I’m really struggling to understand how I would do it all. My DH travels around a bit for his job so he’s not really able/willing to do it.
How do you do it? Is it family support? Both sets of grandparents are retired but always say their too busy to offer any kind of childcare.
My husband doesn’t seem to understand how much time these things take up.

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hellywelly3 · 12/10/2021 10:27

Sorry for typos.
*an injury
*painfull

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CourageCalls2Courage · 12/10/2021 10:31

I'm facing the same OP. Sorry no advice but interested to hear how others manage. My DH works away but I never know when so can't plan. No before or after school care, no available childminders (as the one and only is full) and both my parents work full time. It seems impossible. I have just been offered my dream job only problem is they want full time Confused.

Sofiegiraffe · 12/10/2021 10:32

I've always worked FT with my now 15 year old, 9 years of which as a single mum as met my current partner when she was 9. No family support at all. Medical appts for myself - work have always permitted me that time off as per my contract. Eg. If I have a docs appt at 9am I just make sure I'm in the office as soon as possible after it, so 10am. Appts for my daughter had to be either after working hrs (many docs / dentists do evening appts) or I'd take a half day annual leave or something. But I didn't have regular appts for her like it sounds like you have? After school activities were tricky. She often missed out on these at primary school unfortunately as she was in childcare, or one of the other mums would take her with their own child and she would go back to theirs after for tea when I would collect after work. In a nutshell - not easy, huge juggling act, having to beg and borrow to make it work!

millymolls · 12/10/2021 10:32

Flexible working, sympathetic employers, friends, annual leave

Maverickess · 12/10/2021 10:32

After school and holiday clubs, child minders, family and babysitters.
I was a single parent and worked shifts and used a combination of all the above to work ft. It's not easy and takes a lot of planning to get sorted. If I couldn't get appointments changed, if they didn't fall on my days off I'd have to try for unpaid leave or swaps - though that's the advantage shift work has because you do get mid week days off.

Sofiegiraffe · 12/10/2021 10:34

@millymolls

Flexible working, sympathetic employers, friends, annual leave

Yes - basically all of this!

Booboosweet · 12/10/2021 10:36

Only aftershool activity day in our house is Friday. Any other activities just have to happen at the weekend.

DGFB · 12/10/2021 10:36

DH and I have no family support but both have flexible hours so we can start and finish when we need to. As long as we work FT hours overall, our bosses are happy. I’m not sure we could do it without that as our schools offer no after-school childcare

SoftplayTaintedLove · 12/10/2021 10:37

Pay for a nanny for all the after school and day to day stuff like clubs/playdates. Dentist etc - flexible working.
Basically being senior and well paid enough to do it, but it's super hard if not. The up side to having kids really late is i have a very good career. The down side is I have no family support at all, everyone is dead or demented!

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 12/10/2021 10:39

Appts need to be booked outside work hours or using leave.

Afterschool activities either need to be at school so they can get there themselves, late enough for you to do after you finish work or make an arrangement with another parent at the club to do drop off and you do pickup.

PearLime · 12/10/2021 10:39

You insist that your husband does 50% of the appointments so that you can work on your career.

You've spent years taking a back seat, and why should that continue? Your career is as important as his. He can do half the appointments arranged by him around his work schedule. End of.

Why do men get away with this shit? Seriously! Demand equality or ditch the fuckers ffs.

SameToo · 12/10/2021 10:40

As @millymolls says. I was a single parent and wouldn’t have managed my job without understanding colleagues.

Dogsandbabies · 12/10/2021 10:43

I have three, 9, 2 and baby. I have always worked full time with no family help as they all live abroad and DPs family are very far.

I would say there are a few key things I do:

  1. super organised. I book dental and all routine appointments months in advance to ensure that I get to go at 7am and still make it to work on time. Similar with activities and holiday clubs etc. Luckily I haven't really been caught out yet.
  2. I use my leave very, very carefully!
  3. once you are working with an employer for a little while you get more leeway in terms of flexing your time. My employer trusts that I will do the work. And I have been increasingly allowed flexibility to care for the kids. For example if I have an assembly to get to or one of the children is ill unless I can't work all day I can work evenings, when they are asleep, to deliver my work and not use leave.

It is a lot easier to do all this with the 9yo so as your kids are older you will hopefully manage fine.

Sofiegiraffe · 12/10/2021 10:48

once you are working with an employer for a little while you get more leeway in terms of flexing your time. My employer trusts that I will do the work. And I have been increasingly allowed flexibility to care for the kids. For example if I have an assembly to get to or one of the children is ill unless I can't work all day I can work evenings, when they are asleep, to deliver my work and not use leave.

Yes - I second this. I've also been in this situation with an employer once they got to know me, I could be flexible a bit with when I got the work done. If I needed to leave a few hours early one day I could make the time up somewhere etc

InTheLabyrinth · 12/10/2021 10:49

Flexitime, with appointments made first or last thing

Booked in the school holidays, so you have leave booked to spend with the kids anyway.

Afterschool: they either stay at school, and make their way home an hour later than normal via the usual route, or stuff happens later enough so you can get back from work and take them (so 4.30 is impossible).

DH does half of it.

And the day it really doesnt work (primary child, inset day, I have fixed leave, DH cant get out of a meeting fixed for the past 18 months) we beg my Mum to drive 300 miles to do childcare for the day.

TabithaTiger · 12/10/2021 10:50

Look for an employer with a family friendly ethos that offers flexible working. I manage a team that includes two people with children. If their child has an appointment/ a school assembly, etc, they let me know and work a little later/ start earlier to make the time up. So long as the work gets done then I'm not worried. I appreciate this isn't possible in every because of the nature of some work, but it shouldn't be an issue in an office role. It works both ways though, so if you can demonstrate that you're flexible and you're good at the job, your manager will be more likely to offer the same in return.

QforCucumber · 12/10/2021 10:52

DH and I both work 9-5 M-F and we have a 5 year old and a 1 year old.
I've arranged an earlier finish 1 day a week which means I can pick up Ds1 from school and take him to football. We have no other midweek after school activities, No family help, an amazing after school childminder and day nursery though.

Dentist appointments I try to arrange when one of us is off with them in the school holidays, sickness is shared by us, Dr's appointments there haven't really been any without an adjoining illness.

I do have a DH who takes on half the load with this though, we both will either WFH or use annual leave to cover and its an even balance.

TheLastLonelyBakedBeanInTheTin · 12/10/2021 11:03

Activities on weekends only, or if you can get flexible working then early finish one evening. Dentist, doctor and hospital you can do your best to get weekend appointments, but there are some times you just have to go to them regardless. So annual leave, parental leave if you get any, or just trying to get the appointment as early or late in the day as possible, I always tried to get my GP appointments before 9am as most people don't want them that early, and then even if your late it's not by much. Or in the evenings. Our GP had late opening so we would be there at 7 or 8pm. These days those same appointments are just telephone calls anyway, so in a way that has helped. I have most consultation appointments over the phone, and try to do any scans etc. at Saturday clinics (in between extra curricular activities we can't do during the week).

My DC are a little bit younger, and I've just gone completely self employed part time, and will build up to full time which gives me the flexibility to make school plays and things like that which I have had to miss in the past. It's not easy

hellywelly3 · 12/10/2021 11:03

Thanks for all you advice and how you’ve made it work. I do think my DH could be a little more flexible than he makes out. I don’t think he fully appreciates having me at home to do it all. But I want my time now. My own money I’m sick of being the one driving around in the crappy car.

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Angrynellie · 12/10/2021 11:07

Activities and hobbies need to be weekend or later evening. Appointments need to be first thing or last thing, and be prepared to make time up if necessary. Childminder or after school clubs until you can collect them after work. It’s not easy juggling all this stuff.

BiddyPop · 12/10/2021 11:19

DH and I have always worked FT, no family support nearby. When DH was spending 50% of his time on a project the far side of the globe, we had an au pair (3.5 years) and after that, we had a lady who came for an hour in the mornings to get DD to school (so we could get out on time for our commute) for another couple of years. And afterschool club to cover the gap between ECAs in school and me getting home.

Appointments were a mixture of DH and I (mostly I but Dh did his share) taking annual or flexi leave. Illness was a case of juggling whose diary looked worse on day 1, then managing diaries so we each had either morning or afternoon in the office and both caught up at home while minding DD on the alternate slot or late into the evening, and depending on how ill she was, either driving in to the office of the person who had done the morning shift for handover and car swop (preferable if DD was well enough for car ride) or the morning person coming home to let afternoon person go in.

Afterschool activities in primary were either in school premises in the afternoons (and there was an afterschool club for childcare after that), or at weekends. Our PTA was very good so there was a wide range of sports and other activities to choose from. Swimming lessons were in the late afternoon and I was mostly able to juggle getting her there (often sitting in the gallery reading through reports for work while other parents had a great time chatting).

Weekends were for GAA, hockey, Cub Scouts, athletics, coder dojo, sailing, soccer etc. (We didn't do all of those at once, and some we never got to join, but DD wanted to do all these - and did a fair few over the years). There were also music and dance and drama groups operating at weekends if she had been interested.

She has some SNs which meant additional appointments in a clinic, usually during school hours, 40 minutes from school. Which meant me commuting an hour (40 minutes on a REALLY good day) to school, at least 10 minutes collecting DD, drive to appointment, wait, have appointment, stop en route back as DD always missed lunch so needed both food and an enticement to continue to attend so we had a coffee shop stop for those days, back to school, and then back to the office. If I was lucky, my boss accepted the odd hours as a half-day's annual leave, but often he would make me take a full day but after the fact (and after I had gone back in and done a long day to make up for some of the hours I'd missed).

Dentist was arranged for weekends for both DD and myself (and now evenings as he no longer does weekends - we meet him on the side of the hockey pitch now! [GRIN]). Doctor appointments we tried to arrange for either end of the day as much as possible - either 8.30am or 5/5.30pm. (My Dr is very near my office so I can go in lunchbreak). The optician is also open on Saturdays so we might have to book a few weeks ahead but can get an appointment then.

I do also try and organise, as far as possible, appointments etc for school holidays. If I have any control over them.

Also, some bosses have been awful and some have been very understanding over the years. Officially, I should have had flexi time for years but some bosses ignored that. And some bosses have been understanding that once the work got done, that was the important thing - so if I needed to WFH some days, or take a couple of hours during the day but finish a report at home on the laptop at night - they were happy to allow that. But I've always worked in very busy areas where we had deadlines to meet far too frequently and often at very short notice.

You just got on and managed as best you could.

PearLime · 12/10/2021 11:24

@hellywelly3

Thanks for all you advice and how you’ve made it work. I do think my DH could be a little more flexible than he makes out. I don’t think he fully appreciates having me at home to do it all. But I want my time now. My own money I’m sick of being the one driving around in the crappy car.
Let me guess. His car is great and yours it crap.

So you stay home running around after him and the kids to facilitate his career and his life, whilst you go without and drive a shit car.

Sounds to me like you have a DH problem, but a return to work problem.

You don't exist to facilitate his life. I'm going to say it again. You don't exist to facilitate his life.

Finals1234 · 12/10/2021 11:34

Completely agree with @PearLime.

I make it work as a single parent, if you have a partner he should be doing what he can to care for his children.

I wonder if he will make it difficult for you to return to work, as this DH-focused world clearly suits him.

hellywelly3 · 12/10/2021 11:36

@PearLime I think you’re right.
I did go back to work full time for a couple of years. I found a 4pm till midnight in a job I really enjoyed. My husband was home at 3pm at the time so we didn’t need expensive childcare. But when I was on maternity leave, with my youngest, I noticed my husband was coming home later and later. After a few months he admitted he’d taken a promotion at work and was now working longer hours. When I did go back to work he refused to help look for childcare and by the time I payed the nursery/after school for 3 it wasn’t worth working full time.

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hellywelly3 · 12/10/2021 11:37

*paid

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