UK has gone to shit.

[Ilovegreentomatoes]

What is happening to the uk? No food on the shelves, the cost of living has become extortionate coupled with stagnating wages it seems this is a country where unless your in the higher income bracket you really can't afford to live anymore.
Poverty is going to be rife I dread to think the amount of people who will be choosing between food or heating this year.
Aibu to think this country has gone to shit of the likes we have not seen for a long time.
I am lower income and feel like I can't afford to live anymore.

MarleneDietrichsSmile Thanks for explaining. Is it a similar story for China and Lebanon then as there are energy shortages there, or is that due to other issues (I expect it is very complicated)?

This country is clearly incapable of being self sufficient which is very scary.

@FreeBritnee

I was listening to the news today talking about power shortages globally. To be honest I wish it was just Brexit as that at least feels temporary. Global fuel shortages sound like Armageddon to me. I’m honestly frightened.

It really is like the start of a horror movie.

I have an awful feeling about the next few years.

I agree. Labour has lost its way amongst ID politics and ideological authoritarianism. They have been a terrible opposition just when we needed a really strong one.

I was thinking about the state of the Labour party the other day. If by some strange occurrence they were in power now, they would ultimately get blamed for the issues we might see in the next couple of years that the Tories created. Political parties like to be seen to clean up the mess of the opposing party - jump in too early or get too involved and you ultimately get blamed for mistakes that aren't yours. Maybe this is tactical? It is frustrating though, I want them to put more pressure on Boris, but they seem content to let him dig his own hole. Bit of a wild theory. Maybe they are just unintentionally weak at the moment.

ichundich

This was all entirely predictable. But why listen to so-called "experts"!

Sadly, this is right. Eventually even Farage and co eventually said that things will get worse before they get better. 30 years it will take. Brexit was all about lies, already rich people wanting more and using their wealth to manipulate us all into thinking the problem was migration...

Neither of them sound appealing to me between Boris and Keir so if we were to have a vote right now I'd be voting for Ed Davey. I don't think it matters what party you get in really though, they're all full of shit.

I'd agree with that but anyone who isn't rich that votes Tory has Stockholm Syndrome.

If everyone stopped reading the daily mail I'm sure we'd all feel better. That's the worst reporting I've ever seen, basically they saw how tragedy sold papers during civid and have just run with it! They ought to stick with photos of Arg on the beach .
And of course the Tories will remain in power , what's the alternative. A whiny solicitor who's only policy is " Boris bad me good " ?!

@Lostmarbles2021

ichundich

This was all entirely predictable. But why listen to so-called "experts"!

Sadly, this is right. Eventually even Farage and co eventually said that things will get worse before they get better. 30 years it will take. Brexit was all about lies, already rich people wanting more and using their wealth to manipulate us all into thinking the problem was migration...

The problem is migration. The migration of the UK's wealth into the offshore bank accounts of a very small number of people.

But Jeremy Corbyn.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

If everyone stopped reading the daily mail I'm sure we'd all feel better. That's the worst reporting I've ever seen, basically they saw how tragedy sold papers during civid and have just run with it! They ought to stick with photos of Arg on the beach . And of course the Tories will remain in power , what's the alternative. A whiny solicitor who's only policy is " Boris bad me good " ?!

It is nice to see that you have moved on from saying you have to vote for Boris because of JC.

@Alltheprettyseahorses

No. We are so lucky to live where we are. Look around you, look at Libya, Afghanistan, Myanmar, various EU countries if you want to get closer to home (German fears over power, Italian failed harvests, Easter European food instability) and count your blessings to live in such a stable and luxurious country. Everywhere I go the supermarket shelves are full and I go to a lot in a wide area because I shop for other people, being a carer on UC and CA. We have heating, clean water, an NHS that is able to provide non-essential and elective treatments, bin collections. We are a rich, pampered country, we really are. What more does everyone want?

I understand what you are saying - it is truly awful in some places in the world, we do have to appreciate that, but I don't think comparing ourselves to worse off nations helps.

The fact of the matter is people feel their situation should be getting better, that is what progress is and it is sad most of us feel things are going backwards when we have been told technology would enrich our lives and make us more a more progressive nation. This and the fact that a small minority has done so well out of other people's lives going backward is also difficult to stomach. The people at the bottom will be kicked down even more, while the better off always ensure they will do well out of a crisis so it doesn't impact them.

We can't really ignore this by saying at least we aren't a third world country. It also doesn't help the third world either as it just normalises their poverty too.

And that’ was a party political broadcast from the people who brought you “we need to leav the EU because foreigners are abusing the Nhs.”

Which made us EU immigrants laugh. Most of us go back to native countries for medical stuff... Because the quality is better

@ivykaty44

France, Portugal, Spain and Italy all have massive tourism industries that have been hard hit by covid. They don’t have the problems that UK is having. It’s fucking BREXIT!

yes but those that voted Brexit want to now blame covid19 as it deflects from the fucking mess they've voted for

Makes a change from blaming the EU for everything.

@ThirdElephant

I think there are teething problems certainly, and COVID definitely hasn't helped matters!

What will make the difference going forward is if we actually force businesses to pay people a fair wage with decent working conditions, or whether the government capitulate to the businesses and allow them to continue to bring in cheap labour from overseas so that they can maximise profits.

The thing is that who is going to be paying in the long run? Businesses increasing wages leads to higher consumer costs leads to exactly the same gap between rich and poor as there once was.

Something needs to change so that people who have more contribute more to improving society as a whole. Less poverty leads to better outcomes for everyone. As the impact on poverty on education, health, crime is expensive for society on money and well-being and happiness terms.

Teething problems of Brexit aren't the only thing that is wrong with the way the country is at the moment. It's under investment and the minority of people with money just being allowed to accrue more at the expense of the majority.

@Thewiseoneincognito

I wonder when people will start crying out to rejoin the EU? It’s bound to happen sooner or later. I think things could start bubbling over once it becomes apparent just how dismal Christmas will be for so many due to food shortages, distribution issues and increasing prices. BJs comedy routines can only stretch so far before the patience of the electorate runs out.

Even if we do join we'll never get the best-of-both worlds deal we already had and a veto/opt outs etc. Insane national self-sabotage.

We became a service industry country eg banking (M Thatcher) Which was very successful (SE booming) lots of taxes into the country.
Then banking crashed 2008.
Then the taxpayer bailed them out.
Then we had austerity for ?10 years I suppose to pay back the bail out.
Then we had brexit,
then we had covid.
Now we've got the world firing up again much faster than expected and therefore shortages of fuel etc etc - this is affecting everywhere including China.
You could blame M Thatcher but in fact it is human greed - Lehmann Brothers collapse, Bank of Scotland - they conned people( US mortgage issues) and ripped them off.

So compared to other EU countries we had a bigger banking crash as had more invested in it. We had brexit which is still being sorted out.
Also we went into services industries and therefore less manufacturing industries some of which other EU countries kept.

We also had huge numbers of immigrants compared to other EU countries so that also contributed to us not sorting out our economy.
Lots of factors.
Perfect storm.

We also had huge numbers of immigrants compared to other EU countries so that also contributed to us not sorting out our economy.

I for one would be interesting to see the stats on this, perhaps you could provide information on the number of immigrants to the UK and selected EU countries, like France, Germany and Italy?

OP, this will only happen if house prices crash. If you look at changes in political leadership, it normally follows a tough period where house prices are affected.

The Tories will keep getting in as long as they've got the Baby Boomer generation eating out of their hat. A lot of that is tied into house prices which are only still going up if anything, due to housing shortages.

Only problem would be if Boomers realise they were conned over Brexit (again that generation really swung that referendum) but Boris has proactively slammed a big tax on the young to pay for social care. More years of supply issues for food and petrol won't go down well though.

The thing is that who is going to be paying in the long run? Businesses increasing wages leads to higher consumer costs leads to exactly the same gap between rich and poor as there once was.

Neoliberalism is finished. Has been since 2007/08 but successive governments have tried to cling onto a failed system (and the EU are part of the problem in this respect).

Capitalism has collapsed again but when capitalism collapses we print more money and try and reinvent the wheel.

I for one would be interesting to see the stats on this, perhaps you could provide information on the number of immigrants to the UK and selected EU countries, like France, Germany and Italy?

Here is an interesting one
UK 13.8% foreign born, EU (and I presume that is the whole of the EU) only 8.3%

ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/promoting-our-european-way-life/statistics-migration-europe_en

Thanks for explaining. Is it a similar story for China and Lebanon No Lebanon is just extremely poor right now with an extremely corrupt government, more than half its population are under the poverty line, No state benefits, Pension or any sort of scheme for the unemployed, no Medicine , some hospitals were shut for months , No food , although it’s an agricultural country,
People are too worried to eat dairy/meat in fear of getting food poisoning and there is no hospitals for treatments , their currency is worthless right now , $100 is just about enough to buy you lunch for a couple of days , in the past it would have cost no more than $10.

[quote PattiPritell]I for one would be interesting to see the stats on this, perhaps you could provide information on the number of immigrants to the UK and selected EU countries, like France, Germany and Italy?

Here is an interesting one
UK 13.8% foreign born, EU (and I presume that is the whole of the EU) only 8.3%

ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/promoting-our-european-way-life/statistics-migration-europe_en[/quote]
You can't compare whole of EU vs UK.
Would you conpare whole of Asia vs Malaysia? Or whole of North America vs Florida?

@Naaaaah

Apologies, I think I mis read your post about benefits. £1000 total, of which £700 is rent.

The poster said £985 not £1000. £15 matters a lot when you are that poor @Naaaaah. BTW you really showed us who you are with your initial response.

I can see some specific items missing on the Supermarket shelves, but will show up again few days later, i think it’s just a matter of keeping the deliveries afloat,
In Europe it’s the exact issue with some items too, my DM told me she cant find a particular type of yogurt for some time now.

It’s really not the food that is the issue here , there is plenty ,
it’s everything else , and those who are on fixed budgets will suffer the most .

Suzie888 Are you Therese Coffey?

God help anyone who needs help from you.

People who need financial help are buying brand new cars,? Maybe they are financialy committed and then their circumstances changed. watching TV, and daring to have phones!

I bet they also whine on about needing food

You're a walking Dailymail "hate the poor" article.

You can't compare whole of EU vs UK.
Would you conpare whole of Asia vs Malaysia? Or whole of North America vs Florida?

You can because it is showing that there are more foreign born people 13% in the UK than in EU, 8%
It is a percentage. of the whole population not a single figure.

@PattiPritell

You can't compare whole of EU vs UK. Would you conpare whole of Asia vs Malaysia? Or whole of North America vs Florida?

You can because it is showing that there are more foreign born people 13% in the UK than in EU, 8%
It is a percentage. of the whole population not a single figure.

Yet another excellent demonstration that the UK is a wonderful place to live.