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Carers and vunerable patients

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Bettyboopawoop · 09/10/2021 16:41

I know a few home carers that live across the road, they are doing home visits too vunerable patients, patients that are at huge risk if they contract covid. The carers don't seem to give s shit about their clients they have lots of people coming in an out their house, people staying over all the time, going out to pubs clubs ect.

I know everyone can't put their life on hold because of covid but the other day one of their patients was taken away in an ambulance and it got me thinking about covid and how these carers are putting their patients at risk.

I am not planning on doing anything or saying anything but it just made me wonder if I am being very unking to think they are major twats for putting those people at risk?

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vodkaredbullgirl · 09/10/2021 21:19

Selfish bitch here, worked throughout the pandemic. Sat with residents who didn't understand why family couldn't visit. Done loads of overtime to cover staff off sick with covid, double jabbed. Looked after residents with covid, wore ppe for 12 1/2 hours.
Not seen parents for nearly 2 yrs, as the live 200 miles away.
Social life, what the fuck is that.

BloodyBack · 09/10/2021 21:20

Yes how fucking rude of them, £8.91 for giving palliative care, dealing with contagious illnesses and putting themselves at risk(not just covid, shingles, flu, meningitis etc etc), dealing with bodily fluid(risking more contagious illnesses such as salmonella, hiv, hepatitis), they care for people and deal with the sadness that comes as someone deteriorates, they get shouted at and abused, they get family who shout at them, they work long shifts often without breaks. But they shouldn't go out with friends, they should sit at home twiddling their thumbs for the next shift. Probably should sell their kids too to make sure the kids don't give them anything they could pass on. For £8.91, because that is all they are worth apparently.

Munchyseeds · 09/10/2021 21:22

We went in and cared for clients who had covid with no PPE ( because it was not avaliable)
We have been double jabbed
Wear PPE
Do weekly PCR and many lateral flow tests
What more do you want??

MichelleScarn · 09/10/2021 21:25

Ah @Maverickess remember us health care workers if we get covid are the disgusting disease spreaders who only end up positive because of something we've done wrong....Hmm

Hairyfairy01 · 09/10/2021 21:29

Totally OP. Let's not forget about nurses, HCA's, doctors, physios, OT's dieticians, radiologists, hospital porters, domestics, cooks, speech and language therapists, podiatrists, health visitors, pharmacists etc etc as well. From now on they should only be allowed to work and sleep. No social contact outside of work. Maybe they could use ID cards or something to swipe in and out of their houses so we know they haven't had any social contact outside of work?

hangrylady · 09/10/2021 21:34

I actually don't think I've ever seen a more unreasonable AIBU on here.

generalh · 09/10/2021 21:37

The OP knows she is being unreasonable which is why she hasn't been back to defend the indefensible!

WhereIsMumHiding3 · 09/10/2021 21:39

I am not planning on doing anything or saying anything but it just made me wonder if I am being very unking to think they are major twats for putting those people at risk?

Errrr what do you think you should do or say? If they are U.K. they are not breaching any COVID restrictions - seeing their friends and family! Living with their family! Going out..! A whole 18 months after

They wear PPE at work, donning new set each new visit/client. It is hot and uncomfortable yet they wear it. LFT regularly. Report any slight symptoms. . Do you wear PPE when you see people and LFT regularly OP?
Vulnerable CEV clients have been double vaccinated, where they can be.

I cannot believe you are criticising carers OP!!! when alongside nurses and doctors, social care carers were one of the most at risk frontline keyworkers who carried on going in to vulnerable people all through pandemic lockdowns even after the start when it was very scary. Even when GPs stopped seeing patients face to face for best a year, carers went into their homes!! Carers go in when clients have Covid, there's no change as they still need to eat and drink and have personal hygiene met. Carers were the ones who stopped going out rather at the start longer than anyone else. We all get our lives back now but not them?? Even though they wear PPE when working and we don't?

Shock
TrainspottingWelsh · 09/10/2021 21:39

@Hairyfairy01 don't be ridiculous. They are NHS and deserve praise, not condemnation. Op is discussing carers, not proper people.

Nonicknamesforcatapillars · 09/10/2021 21:43

Tbh OP you couldn’t be more unreasonable if you tried.

Carers get paid so very little for doing such a hard job. They’re already going above and beyond in difficult circumstances, do you expect them to give up their whole lives? You do realise they don’t get paid much above minimum wage, don’t you?

The carers will be wearing PPE as per protocol. They will also be double jabbed, as that’s now a necessity. Social care is already absolutely on its knees and judgmental fools like you will only make matters worse.

Yummymummy2020 · 09/10/2021 21:44

The thing is, most people that have carers would be lost without them. I know what you are saying but it’s also unfair to expect them to put their lives on hold, if they called with symptoms as one did to my grandparents it’s different though. That happened last year and caused a lot of stress when it was a confirmed positive. It wouldn’t cause as much trouble now as most are vaccinated that are able to be. I also see a lot of people in the at risk category not being overly careful themselves, and so might catch it anyway regardless of carers. Ideally people could be totally protected but it’s Just not possible now and I guess if they are having carers in they haven’t an option but to get on with things.

Hairyfairy01 · 09/10/2021 22:01

[quote TrainspottingWelsh]@Hairyfairy01 don't be ridiculous. They are NHS and deserve praise, not condemnation. Op is discussing carers, not proper people.[/quote]
Sorry, my mistake. I forgot. NHS staff are hero's. You're right, it should only be the lowest paid, non NHS staff who should have to never see family or friends or have any life outside of work at all. Forever. It's the least they can do really.

Etonmessisyum · 09/10/2021 22:20

So the nurse who visits you, do you think they sit at home when they aren’t with you?
No, I’m sure they have children or partners, friends and colleagues. Maybe they’ve been to a big event or a wedding. They might be at school every day picking up their kids. Just because you don’t see it op, does that mean it doesn’t happen? But you can condemn the carers because you’re seeing them live their lives? It’s not really fair to judge them, I think everyone is trying to live their lives again to an extent.

Sprostongreen21 · 09/10/2021 22:36

My uncle caught covid from his carers early this year. He died. I don’t blame the carers it was lockdown and they’ve worked bloody hard throughout. I couldn’t do their job. So much respect.

You can’t expect people not to have a life. I work for the NHS:nurses/doctors/other HCP all going around living our lives as much as we can in a pandemic: now we can. Also vaccinated, wear ppe and lft test.

JudgeRindersMinder · 09/10/2021 22:38

Mind your own business

You remind me of the people who were phoning the police at the height of lockdown to report a son/daughter visiting elderly parents

Maverickess · 09/10/2021 22:45

@MichelleScarn

Ah *@Maverickess* remember us health care workers if we get covid are the disgusting disease spreaders who only end up positive because of something we've done wrong....Hmm
Ah yes obviously...... Like when we had no PPE, positive cases dumped from overcrowded hospitals in homes or sent home to be cared for by community skivvies carers and covid ripped through the elderly population. Yeah, but we didn't wash our hands enough according to Bozza, that was the problem.

Comments on here during the lockdowns about how we were 'allowed' to kill other people's family because we went to a fucking shop to get food, and got slated if we got to jump the queue to get in and out faster to get to bastard work on time.

We really are the lowest of the fucking low aren't we?!

MichelleScarn · 09/10/2021 23:08

Doing it for the glory of the clap and pan banging of course....

Maverickess · 09/10/2021 23:41

@MichelleScarn

Doing it for the glory of the clap and pan banging of course....
That woke me up when I'd been working 15-20 hour shifts....... 👏👏👏👏👏 🤣
FateHasRedesignedMost · 10/10/2021 10:07

There’s a big shortage of carers, and it’s a hard, demanding job. I think it’s very unreasonable to expect the carers to limit their lives outside of work ‘just in case’ they come into contact with covid.

Presumably all the clients and carers are vaccinated too. The carers probably have regular lateral flow tests and PCR tests.

The carers could easily catch covid on the bus, in a supermarket, talking to a neighbour in the street. Do you think they should stop going out at all?

The clients could catch covid from their families or visitors, you have no idea if the person taken to hospital caught it from a carer or a from a friend visiting!

Belledan1 · 10/10/2021 10:14

Already posted once but just wanted to say your post actually made me cry this morning thinking about it when my family member who thought was getting a lie ie get up 6am but got a call at 5am to say something has rang in sick so can they do 6 extra calls today and leave now Wont gret a break until about 2 and then back out at 3.30 to 6pm. They could say no but they havent. Nice that you think on their weekend off next week they cant go for a meal with some friends.

TrainspottingWelsh · 10/10/2021 20:51

@Hairyfairy01 Glad you have realised your mistake. However I dispute lowly paid, carers are positively blessed to work in an industry with so much overtime available. Obviously they are paid too much if they have time to see their family or socialise.

JudgeRindersMinder · 11/10/2021 12:45

@Bettyboopawoop

Actually I do not believe that carers should have been forced to have the vaccine, and 2 I wondered how I would feel if it were one of my relatives that were at high risk of dying if they got covid. That is all. Sorry if some of you find that offensive.
Let me answer that….

I lost my dad to covid in May2020, whilst he was resident in a care home.

If the virus didn’t get into the home via an untested person who was dumped there to clear the hospitals, it was likely to be a member of staff unwittingly transferring it in.

If it was the latter, it wasn’t done deliberately.

The home did all they could to protect their residents, one of their colleagues got cold and died. The staff were working 20 hour shifts with some of them basically moving into the home.

I can’t find it in me to feel any blame or rancour towards the staff, but I hold a lot towards the politicians who created the utter clusterfuck surrounding care homes.

As my dad always believed, life is for the living, I’ve lived as much as I can within whatever restrictions there have been, including going out to work for an emergency service all throughout, and yes I’ve also had a couple of holidays to the sun within that period too. My dad would kick my arse if I didn’t.

But you crack on and live in your ignorant wee bubble, I’ve had my vaccinations and will carry on living life by my main rule for myself, which is “don’t be a knob”. You might want to think about doing the same.

madisonbridges · 11/10/2021 13:04

Carers are paid horribly. Yet they should put their personal life in hold for their job.

I don't understand this which a few posters seem to be saying. It implies if carers were paid well, they should put their personal life on hold. Is that what people mean?

Op, my mum has carers. They've all been jabbed, they put on masks and aprons, and always wash and sanitise when they arrive. Regardless of what they get paid, I wouldn't want them not to socialise because of my mum. My mum has had both jabs, the booster and the flu jab. I cant protect her more than that. I myself have been on coach trips and holidays. I'm not reckless (and I don't believe her carers are either), but I could have been exposed and because of my close contact with her, I'm probably more danger to my mum than her carers.

Having said all that, I don't think you are being awful to be concerned and I think some people on here are being unnecessarily nasty.

LemonSwan · 11/10/2021 13:08

YABU,

If you care so much why dont you give up your life and go be a carer for 8.90.

londonrach · 11/10/2021 13:10

Yabu and tbh a vvvvvvvvvvvv nasty person op so must be a troll as no one can be that nasty in real life. Carers work for nothing and work in awful situations. I see so many carers doing that best in my job and wouldn't have their job.