To not understand why there isn't more in the news about this (the difficulty of travelling with single jabbed teens)

[Bramshott]

I've been shocked that there has been so little in the press about the problems involved with travelling with 12-17 year olds who will either have had none or only one vaccine jab.

Found this in the Independent but very little coverage elsewhere:
inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/unvaccinated-uk-teenagers-face-hundreds-for-daily-covid-tests-ski-holidays-1206048

Like many, we were excited about the option to travel soon, if not at October half term (which seems to be being constantly reference by Grant bloody Shapps) then at least at Christmas. But the more I read about it, the more of a minefield it seems to be for DD2 who is 14 and has not yet had any vaccines. Hopefully she'll have had 1 by December, but that doesn't count as "vaccinated" in any other European country as far as I can see. And most are insisting on vaccinations as they're offering it to their own over-12s. Our first thought was Germany (for the Christmas markets) but she won't even be permitted to enter the country, now considering France, but the faff involved with topping up her Covid pass with a test every couple of days is putting me off.

But the headline are all about "travel is back on", referring specifically to the greater ease of returning to the UK, and glossing over the fact that it's actually quite hard to travel to anywhere else if you have children over 12 but under 18.

Grrr.

YANBU the news is misleading and travel advice on the government website doesn’t always mention children. Young people have lost out so much from this and yet all the older people can travel because they’ll be triple jabbed. Added to that there’s no option to have the extra vaccine privately.

what is your MP going to be able to do about the entry requirements for other countries?

Well it is up to the U.K. government to introduce (or not) second jabs for 12-17 year olds.

I’m confused too OP.

We have a 15 year old. Hive mind where would we be allowed to go in half term? Her jab is due fairly soon but not before half term.

With some cases in schools would it be stressful cancelling if your teen got it?

Looks like uk for us

"Well it is up to the U.K. government to introduce (or not) second jabs for 12-17 year olds."

Jabs for holiday travel aren't going to be high on the priority list.

@Sleepyblueocean

"Well it is up to the U.K. government to introduce (or not) second jabs for 12-17 year olds."

Jabs for holiday travel aren't going to be high on the priority list.

Well, not until a government minister realises that it’s sort it or it’s Butlins.

@CactuaFlower

*what is your MP going to be able to do about the entry requirements for other countries?*

Well it is up to the U.K. government to introduce (or not) second jabs for 12-17 year olds.

Only if it is medically advised. Not just so people can trot off on holiday.

What about the adults who can not be vaccinated at all?

No one has said "travel is open again for all!" anyway have they? They've said it is "opening up". Which it is. There will be progress - it's unlikely to be like this forever, changes will be made as the situation allows.

My DS is seriously angry about it. He has had 1 jab and also had covid, but he can’t go to Belgium with his Dad or San Marino with me (have to fly into Italy). If this doesn’t get resolved by November 2022, he will also be barred from going to the World Cup, which he has been saving for, for the last 2 years.

The bigger issue is kids on that age group that have recently had covid or will have had by half term. Considering 1 in 20 secondary school children had it 2 weeks ago how many are going to get false positive PCRs before trips for half term and Christmas etc

Some countries will let you in with a nhs note to say you've had it.. However government website says you can get a paper copy but when you ring up you can't...

Without double vaccine and unable to take a PCR due to potential for false positive for 90 days after covid this was the only real option...

It's incredibly restrictive for anyone with a child 12-16 and no one seems to care.

@happytoday73

The bigger issue is kids on that age group that have recently had covid or will have had by half term. Considering 1 in 20 secondary school children had it 2 weeks ago how many are going to get false positive PCRs before trips for half term and Christmas etc

Some countries will let you in with a nhs note to say you've had it.. However government website says you can get a paper copy but when you ring up you can't...

Without double vaccine and unable to take a PCR due to potential for false positive for 90 days after covid this was the only real option...

It's incredibly restrictive for anyone with a child 12-16 and no one seems to care.

This was my experience too. My 12 year old has just recovered from Covid, and I rang 119 to ask about the so-called “certificate of recovery”. It seems it’s not available for kids. I think the man said that if I still had the bar code from his test, I might be able to get one. Of course I don’t still have that - why would I - I have the email and text confirming his positive result, but apparently that’s not enough. He said it “might” be accepted at an airport, but not sure! So DS has to have a PCR if we travel at half term, which will probably still be positive! It’s very frustrating.

I'll write to my MP too. We never go abroad so I'd love my DD to get away with the school next year.
She still hasn't got a date for her first jab.

Jabs for holiday travel aren't going to be high on the priority list.
This.
There is a school of thought that it is disgraceful that we're giving booster jabs to the elderly when much of the world is still unvaccinated so I don't think missing out on a ski trip would be of much concern tbh.
Spain is OK but they need a pcr test beforehand.

Can you ask the GP surgery to print out a copy of your positive test result?

My son is going skiing to USA in April and will have had one vaccine. I’m just hoping the world has calmed down a bit by then and realised COVID isn’t going anywhere and we just need to crack in with life.

DS(14) had his first jab on Thursday and don’t know yet if he’ll be given a second, he also had Covid in January this year.

We’re booked to go to Holland for a weekend in early December and the way I understand it he just needs either a PCR 48 hours before we go or an LFT 24 hours before we go and we need his COVID pass on the NHS app.

A bit confused re 2nd jab for 17 year olds. Ds had his first 10 days ago, will he not get a second? He said his friends have. Hell def want to travel next summer but will be 18 by then, thankfully.

To be honest I’m more puzzled by the lack of reporting on the moral dilemma of unnecessary travel. Spreading the Delta version more widely and the environmental impact are two issues never mentioned to my knowledge (but I may be wrong). It’s Almost like it’s seen as our god given right to holiday abroad. I’m not saying we should/shouldn’t (I don’t fly for holidays and haven’t for years due to the carbon footprint) but I’m more surprised by that not being reported on than the travelling with teens thing. It seems like there is a reluctance in the media to even mention cutting down on flights.

Utterly terrifying your all poking your children with an experimental drug so you can go on holidays!

The world powers have done an excellent job at fear mongering people into the biggest ever live human trials This is a fact the trial doesn't even end till 2023.

For The Netherlands a test is required every 24 hours for an unvaccinated person 13 and above, for entry to restaurants etc. We'll be eating Al fresco with our 13 year old.

@Lostmarbles2021

To be honest I’m more puzzled by the lack of reporting on the moral dilemma of unnecessary travel. Spreading the Delta version more widely and the environmental impact are two issues never mentioned to my knowledge (but I may be wrong). It’s Almost like it’s seen as our god given right to holiday abroad. I’m not saying we should/shouldn’t (I don’t fly for holidays and haven’t for years due to the carbon footprint) but I’m more surprised by that not being reported on than the travelling with teens thing. It seems like there is a reluctance in the media to even mention cutting down on flights.

Literally.! Not going to have a planet to live on to even travel around at this rate

I think the U.K. is unique in its policy of only giving a single dose of the vaccine to teenagers so it is not surprising it limits their ability to travel or at least requires extra testing.

OP, totally agree. I can see that there may be good arguments for not double jabbing (although everyone else is doing it) but it’s frustrating that the current situation is presented as travel opening up when it really isn’t. I haven’t seen my brother for 2 years and unless the rules change won’t be seeing him for another 3, unless I leave DD behind.

Not surprising though- young people have been an afterthought throughout the pandemic.

@obsessedpoas

Utterly terrifying your all poking your children with an experimental drug so you can go on holidays!

The world powers have done an excellent job at fear mongering people into the biggest ever live human trials This is a fact the trial doesn't even end till 2023.

Fake news. Trials on teens started over a year ago and have now been longer than the ones for adults. Also globally. Research was mostly done on kids of medical doctors/staff/researchers as they know it can be a miserable disease.

Some teens are bigger than their parents. Mine has GCSEs and wants to be able to go to school.

We could argue it should go to other countries first but here we are.

@Lostmarbles2021

To be honest I’m more puzzled by the lack of reporting on the moral dilemma of unnecessary travel. Spreading the Delta version more widely and the environmental impact are two issues never mentioned to my knowledge (but I may be wrong). It’s Almost like it’s seen as our god given right to holiday abroad. I’m not saying we should/shouldn’t (I don’t fly for holidays and haven’t for years due to the carbon footprint) but I’m more surprised by that not being reported on than the travelling with teens thing. It seems like there is a reluctance in the media to even mention cutting down on flights.

Agree! The environmental benefits of this have been under reported and saving the travel industry has been classified as more important.

@Lostmarbles2021

To be honest I’m more puzzled by the lack of reporting on the moral dilemma of unnecessary travel. Spreading the Delta version more widely and the environmental impact are two issues never mentioned to my knowledge (but I may be wrong). It’s Almost like it’s seen as our god given right to holiday abroad. I’m not saying we should/shouldn’t (I don’t fly for holidays and haven’t for years due to the carbon footprint) but I’m more surprised by that not being reported on than the travelling with teens thing. It seems like there is a reluctance in the media to even mention cutting down on flights.

Excellent comment! Trips to the sun at half term and skiing are not exactly the most important things in the world. And I say that with a ski holiday with DS12 booked for December which I am expecting to have to cancel in the next few weeks.

Also we are very behind many EU countries in this who jabbed teens before they returned to school.