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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think 2 car households are totally normal these days.

166 replies

Karleeb30 · 02/10/2021 18:03

I appreciate not everyone can afford to run 2 cars but it is a necessity in our case.

We live rurally with no public transport links. Dp works unsociable hours, I'm currently off work but have needed it for work previously , just not currently.. We have two dc who both have sen so needed for appointments when dp is at work. I'd also be very isolated without a car living where we do. We have thought about just having one buy it would be a struggle with appointments and no public transport links.

Basically we have dp's 15 year old trusty car he's had forever that he uses for work. He's had it for years. It's not suitable for us as a family as only a 3 door and small and wouldn't be great for dc.

Then we have a 6 year old (that we bought second hand last year ) family car which I use more than him but dp drives too at the weekends. Previously we had an older car as a second car.

It is a struggle to keep both going at times but both are pretty reliable so far (hopefully don't jinx it here) and haven't cost us much other than your average costs for a car.

I have recently received remarks off a family member. Saying we must be rich if we have 2 cars especially if I am not working (which is degrading tbh, people have no right to judge us in our current circumstances and they don't work themselves which is the funniest thing about it so they are very hypocritical.

We are not rich, we get by but living month by month especially down to one wage currently, we do struggle. We don't have any other luxuries!

We are fortunate we can keep 2 cars running because I know not everyone can but like I said we don't have much else in the terms of luxuries.

Aibu to think 2 cars is not a luxury in most cases but a necessity and people should
Keep their beaks out where it's not needed?

We are in that middle between rich and poor where we aren't rich (I wish) and we aren't poor either.

OP posts:
lachy · 03/10/2021 14:24

@Macncheeseballs

Iachy, I get that some people are allocated schools far away, not out of choice, but you chose the one 10 miles away
Er no. I didn't choose it. I put down 6 primary schools. We were allocated the school we put down as our sixth choice.

1st choice school oversubscribed by 19
2nd choice school oversubscribed by 22
3rd choice school oversubscribed by 49
4th choice school oversubscribed by 17
5th choice school oversubscribed by 5

My daughter will be at her primary for 7 years. I'm not sending her to a crap school just because it the closest.

If I had a choice she'd be going to our 3rd choice school but there were 49 other children in front of her on the waiting list.

So because of her allocation I drive 40 miles every weekday and spend 2 hours everyday travelling so my daughter goes to a decent school. If the closer school's were decent believe me she'd be at one of them.

Bombaloorina · 03/10/2021 14:26

@Macncheeseballs

Iggly, it is for me, I would choose a closer one over a 'better' one any day, the thought of getting kids into a car every morning is hard to fathom
Very few people would choose a sub-standard closer nursery over a better one a bit further away.

You’re pretty unusual on that front!

HuhWhatNow · 03/10/2021 14:31

We're not rich but as DH needs the car for work, am I to be stuck at home or stuck with staying home, walking in the shitty rain or waiting on unreliable public transport for 12 hours a day? Nothing wrong with both adults in a home being able to drive themselves around. We're currently a one car household and it is pissing me right off (DH wrote my car off in an accident and we're putting money aside to buy a batter car) and we had to pick who got priority and needed the one car more. DH did but now we have to sit and work out what things we can do on what day (ie can't take a kids dental appointment time on certain days as DH will have that car, or can't make arrangements to go somewhere on a DH work day.) It's driving me (excuse the pun) crazy.

RobinPenguins · 03/10/2021 14:33

Why do you care what other people think, if you really, genuinely need two cars? Plenty of people don’t really, genuinely need two cars but swear they do. You know which side of the fence you fall on, we don’t.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 03/10/2021 16:14

Macncheeseballs
‘Why do so many choose things like nurseries so far away from their homes, little kids being ferried around every morning in toxic traffic’

So what about little kids being ferried around every morning and afternoon in toxic traffic on the school run?

You posed a rhetorical question/statement, but I’ll respond to share the reality of life for some people outside of your little bubble.

The nursery was not that far away. It was a 5 min drive to a neighbouring town on the way to my office location, which was another two towns away into London (not Central London). Availability for good nurseries is scarce and waiting lists can be very long. Middle DC went to same nursery, so we wanted our last DC to attend the same nursery as we had built up very good relationships with the staff. We’re still in contact with a Baby Care Nursery Worker staff member who we instantly warmed to on the first visit. They also live locally to us. A closer nursery (if we could have got a place) would have been closer to home but still not close to older DC’s school. No one really wants to move settled children from nursery to nursery unless they absolutely have to (e.g. a house move). We moved house for more space since last DC started that nursery, but still very close to our previous house. We’re now living around the corner
from our initial 1st choice nursery that had a 1yr long waiting list, but never even considered pulling last DC out of nursery to move them there for the last 1.5 years of nursery. Securing a nursery place was last minute as I wasn’t sure if I was going back to work until the last minute. Work tried to screw me over when I was pregnant with middle DC. Deleted my role and offered redundancy due to re-organisation. I continued to fight it whilst on Maternity Leave and stayed based on my Maternity Rights. I eventually moved to another department upon return to work after Mat Leave after being on Redeployment List and having to interview for another role (this is when work realised that they had really f**d up).

Couldn’t get middle DC into Outstanding 1st choice primary school that was the closest school to us (before we moved house) and a 5 min walk away from our house (oversubscribed). Occasionally did the school run, nursery and work commute on buses and tubes (eg. Car in garage for maintenance or for after work drinks), but that was obviously more difficult, inconvenient, took a lot more time and pressure to arrive at all three destinations on time with two kids, buggy and all of our bags. And then do the same all over gain at the end of the day sometimes frustratingly sitting on a bus in rush hour London traffic! = Late! Also equals stress and possible nursery/After School Club late collection fees.

DP has also worked abroad over the years for periods and was travelling abroad to another office location abroad once a month before lockdown hit. DP would often leave his car at the airport, so
we needed our 2nd/my car so I could do both nursery and school and nursery runs before driving into London for work.

DP has always shared school and nursery AM runs when he hasn’t got early meetings. DP also does/did PM nursery and school runs when he can. DP also takes kids to their various medical appointments when he can. Youngest DC has had at least four ongoing hospital appointments each year for the last four years in Central London. I now work school hours and I’m still WFH everyday but DP still prioritises his busy schedule to be involved in doing this if possible.

I have luckily worked for organisations with flexible working policies (minus the deleted post/redundancy whilst pregnant drama!). I have been able to start work later and leave work 10 mins earlier to avoid start of PM rush hour on major trunk roads out of London. Access to parking at work helped but this has not always been the case. I no longer work there and have no access to staff parking at my current office. When working at previous office location, I’ve parked 20-30 mins walk away from work and then bused/tubed it or walked the remaining distance. I’ve also parked at DP’s office and then travelled another 20-30 mins into the office via bus/tube.

Free parking is non-existent in most areas of London and it not everyone lives in Central London (travel Zone 1) or next to a tube/train station. Also, not every school or nursery is located next to a tube /train station in London. Same Zones 2-6. Parking tends to be restrictive and costly in ‘built up’ areas all over London (areas where there are transport links, tube/train stations, high street shops/shopping centres, places of work (offices/business parks) nurseries, etc. These areas exist all over London, not just in Central London (Zone 1).

I need to pick up a few bits of shopping here and there during the week and do a big shop every 7-10 days. Earlier darker nights are drawing in, colder and currently experiencing periods of lots of rain. Now lockdown is over, we’ll be visiting family and friends more who live in, around London and on the coast. Our closest family members live 45-60 drive away in London (not central London). DP runs two business and works long hours, so we would benefit from a 2nd car so I can get around a lot easier with kids and shopping in tow. I also need to collect kids from extra curricular clubs at school and other locations. I need to deliver and/or collect one DC to an extra curricular club at DP’s business twice a week after school and on a once on weekend. Location is a 10 min walk and then three tube train changes away (45-60 mins). 20 mins in the car. DP has been struggling to do this alone in the one car whilst also needing to be present and working at the business at the same time. We also like to pick up DD from the tube station late at night in the car when we can, otherwise it’s a 10 min walk home on quiet back streets.

DP finances three electric company cars through one of his businesses. 3yr old shared company car is electric. 2nd company car that I’ll be driving in a week or so is also electric. We can afford it, so it’s nobody’s business.

A very longgg post but hopefully it will help some people to understand why some people make choices that differ to that of others.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 03/10/2021 16:24

@Macncheeseballs

Macncheeseballs
‘Iggly, it is for me, I would choose a closer one over a 'better' one any day, the thought of getting kids into a car every morning is hard to fathom’

So, I’m assuming you do not need to put kids into a car most mornings to travel to a nursery, school or a place of work. If so, that is your choice and I have nothing more to say about that. Different strokes for different folks.

You’d lower your expectations of standards of care, etc for your kids just to put them in a nursery that is closer to home? 🤨

Erm, we all do not live in or close to your location near Epping Forest! 🙄

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 03/10/2021 16:50

Plus, I’m avoiding public transport esp. during the busier peak hours due to the vast majority of people who refuse to wear a mask or wear them properly 😐

I caught Covid a few weeks ago from the school via the kids and obviously do not want to catch it again!

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 03/10/2021 16:50

And all of the adults in our household are double jabbed.

julieca · 03/10/2021 17:00

Free parking is non-existent in many places outside London as well.

Kite22 · 03/10/2021 18:04

Tokyo, well I'm sure our acceptable standards of care are very different, but yes I would choose close over 'superior', any day of the week, especially at that age.

Tokyo, sorry what I meant was I don't put much value on 'high standard of care' at nurseries, hence would opt for closest one,

Very few people would choose a sub-standard closer nursery over a better one a bit further away.
You’re pretty unusual on that front!

Absolutely agree @Bombaloorina.

Am amazed anyone who has any option at all would leave children in some of the Nurseries I have visited.
It seems a very strange thing for a parent to say that they "don't put much value" on the people they leave their young children with having high standards.

ToykotoLosAngeles · 03/10/2021 19:10

It seems a very strange thing for a parent to say that they "don't put much value" on the people they leave their young children with having high standards.

Yes. I'm not talking about the arbitrary differences between how each nursery follows the Early Years curriculum here, but instead about outdoor space, variety of activities and toys, years of experience in the team, and quality of the food!

Macncheeseballs · 03/10/2021 19:26

I agreed, I am unusual I am realising now. At nursery and primary age I think it makes very little difference where a kid goes, and all my kids are doing great thanks, I'd rather a better quality of life in as much as close schools that they can walk or cycle to, radical I know! Also, although I have once been to epping forest I live nowhere near it.

Macncheeseballs · 03/10/2021 19:27

*I agree

Duchess379 · 03/10/2021 20:34

YANBU - family member is!
You have a car & so does your husband. He goes to work & you need your car to ferry your kids about. Perfectly acceptable. Every single one of my neighbours has 2 cars!

PooWillyNameChange · 03/10/2021 20:52

Totally normal I thought. I don't really know any families with only one car...apart from us. We live rurally, up a one track road and DH has never been legally allowed to drive for medical reasons, so we have always made one work.

We are very lucky though - he works from home 95%+ of the time. I can WFH as frequently as I like but go for 3 days a week, so the car gets me into the city twice a week, helps me ferry kids around and is used for hols. It saves us a lot of money I imagine.

NantesElephant · 03/10/2021 21:24

I feel a little sorry for you having to pay for the running costs of two cars if you’re on a tight budget, with fuel costs rising so fast, but presumably you knew you’d need to run two vehicles when you chose to live rurally.

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