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To think the government should allocate individual carbon passports?

151 replies

julieca · 01/10/2021 18:21

I think the government should issue everyone in the country with a carbon passport giving a set amount of carbon you can generate every year. Every time you do something where carbon outputs can be measured e.g. flights, pay your heating bill, buy petrol, buy a new car - a carbon allowance is deducted from your passport.
But you can also sell and buy your carbon allowance. So people who never fly or use a car can make a bit of money by selling their carbon allowance.
The government could have pledged to reduce individual carbon allowances every year.
This will reduce flights, cars, etc but through a more capitalist approach, than a central state approach.
So YANBU - yes this should happen
YABU - no a stupid idea

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CBUK2K2 · 02/10/2021 01:48

@thecatsthecats if Coke design a new bottle you can guarantee it uses less plastic than the old one. That’s how business works.

BashfulClam · 02/10/2021 12:17

What a stupid idea! I say that as someone who probably has a lower carbo output than others. I walk to the station then use a train to go to work on an electrified line. We can’t have a child so we aren’t contributing to over population.

venusandmars · 02/10/2021 13:02

My local bank has just decided to close the branch that I can walk to. Their letter informing me about this said my nearest branch is 8 miles away. Why would I pay a carbon tax for their decision?

MushMonster · 02/10/2021 13:09

So, are we going to be penalised for heating our homes? Any allowances for having children in said homes?

I think we are better encouraging people to be greener than giving them yet another passport and quote.

Eve81 · 02/10/2021 14:02

Think this would be a terrible idea overall. Currently having a pit stop break from cleaning, so won’t go into reasons why.

In theory, I wouldn’t object hugely to flight carbon passports however. Obviously there would be exceptions where people need to travel so would be opportunities to buy more air travel if for work purposes or emergencies.

In reality though, I think this is idea is somewhat dystopian.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 02/10/2021 14:09

Interesting idea.

I’ve always thought council tax should be per person in the household so an individual passport re carbon (children added to both parents) and one for businesses would make for a good discussion.

Would make for more personal responsibility and anything that encourages people to look at budgeting more is a bonus. They would need to ensure they had the resources to pay for extra themselves not the state,

LukeEvansWife · 02/10/2021 14:19

Lots of support for charging businesses. Great theory but we will all have to pay more for everything

PinkiOcelot · 02/10/2021 14:23

Ridiculous

ChrissyPlummer · 02/10/2021 14:27

YABU. I can’t get to work (shifts) by public transport. Nor can I afford to live close enough to work that I could get public transport there/back. If I lived back down south I wouldn’t bother having a car but I can’t afford that either.

I don’t have kids though so Halo for me on that score. My holidays abroad are one of the things that keep me sane and looking forward to a week of sun as an escape from the shitty weather here.

Daftasabroom · 02/10/2021 14:30

It's not too different from the current emissions trading scheme that operates in some industrial sectors. So no YANBU. Ultimately however, it shouldn't be necessary as the government can legislate and tax, e.g. tax on gas and ban the installation of new gas boilers.

NightPrancer8204 · 02/10/2021 15:14

If people visit a Victorian museum town, with working coal powered steam attractions, how does one off set the carbon emissions ?

The visitors & employees also need to travel to this museum

Food & items for sale need transport too

IsleofRum · 02/10/2021 15:38

Stalinist, niet?

Lonelycrab · 02/10/2021 15:54

Although I think that it would never work with today’s society and technology level, broadly speaking I think this is the right sort of approach.

I was sat in the station car park the other day waiting for my train. A businessman comes out of the station and gets into his v8 sport Range Rover, and floors it away. That car is burning 3 times the petrol and 4 times the emissions of my small Honda, which performs the same basic function. He is obviously a successful person, so therefore has the right to pollute at many times the level of a normal person because, hey, capitalism.

Remember that there is not going to be much of a planet to live on in about 100 years due to the inaction of the current generations. They’re too drunk on the spoils of capitalism to care.

Our children, and their children will look back in the future and see our generation and the previous being the generation that could have done something, but failed.

I see it as a failure of all governments. They need to tackle this together but they’re too busy worrying about power.

As to the claim that the rich would simply pay more- tax it exponentially. Make Range Rover man pay 100k p/a for his greed. He’s soon be driving a Honda.
Use that money for carbon capture technologies. Make certain unavoidable use (ie getting to work) exempt and target un needed flamboyance.

Bottom line is we are all fucked over the next 50 years because everyone thought of a reason to do nothing, and nothing got done. I appreciate much of what I write is simplistic, but at the end of the day, something needs doing and doing fast. Remember, only a tiny percentage of people are responsible for a huge amount of damage, and those people should be paying more for the solution.

Lonelycrab · 02/10/2021 15:57

Stalinist, niet?

Politics will be a meaningless concept when the place you once lived is 20 foot under the sea.

BarbaraofSeville · 02/10/2021 16:03

Sounds like a great idea. I don't have children so my carbon footprint is massively below those who do. So I can fly as much as I like and still have allowance leftover to sell to people who are in huge carbon debt due to having children.

julieca · 02/10/2021 16:14

I wouldn't make getting to work exempt. I still remember just when nearly everyone lived close to where they worked. As more people got cars, that changed.

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HouseOfFire · 02/10/2021 16:16

And how much carbon do you think it would cost to administrate this?

Move along, its someone elses turn on the glue

julieca · 02/10/2021 16:16

The truth is, unless there are big changes, our children will pay for this.

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AlohaMolly · 02/10/2021 16:25

@julieca

I wouldn't make getting to work exempt. I still remember just when nearly everyone lived close to where they worked. As more people got cars, that changed.
But could that be because things were more local then? I know twenty years ago, mh little village had a butcher, a bakery, a hardware store etc etc. Now the only year round work available is in the corner shop and the rest is seasonal. If I want to work year round in order to pay my bills, I have to travel. I’d rather work closer to home instead of travel a fifty mile round trip three days a week, but there you have it.
Lonelycrab · 02/10/2021 16:30

I wouldn't make getting to work exempt

I think whatever is done, it would need to be seen as fair and proportional for populations to get behind it. I think it’s not reasonable or in any way practical to say everyone on the planet must work very close to where they live.

FWIW I think we’re fucked. Humanity has become too selfish and not wise enough to understand the true scale of the problem.

ChrissyPlummer · 02/10/2021 16:36

Same here. I don’t enjoy commuting 50+ miles a day but in my medium-ish sized town there is fuck all work, apart from vape shops, charity shops and supermarkets.

We used to have a lot of factories, engineering works and food processing. All gone now. No jobs with any sort of progression or decent pay. I’d love to be able to walk to work like my parents used to but, in most places that just isn’t realistic.

staticshock · 02/10/2021 16:43

I agree big changes are needed but penalising individuals who have higher energy or transport needs than others, for whatever reason, won't help and will result in a wealth divide. Energy and transport need to be decarbonised at source (renewables, hydrogen, nuclear, electric cars/buses etc) and I do feel hopeful that, at least in Western Europe, this will happen in the next 15yrs.

Lostinacloud · 02/10/2021 16:51

I’m sorry, I missed the part where the United Kingdom drifted across the Atlantic, hopped over North America and attached itself onto the People’s Republic of China!

Yes let’s give even more of our choice and freedom away Hmm.

It’s not the common citizen generating the excess carbon dioxide, it’s businesses, governments and rich people, they are the ones that need to alter their daily practices, not make our lives even more difficult and oppressive.

I say all of the above however I fear it is sadly already inevitable. The vaccine passport is the key installation to push through and after that we can all be subject to a whole host of restrictions on our everyday lives, including losing “points” for what is considered overuse of co2.

I’m amazed so few can see it coming but not surprised to see the mind conditioning is already taking effect, so that limits on our movements and rare holiday and downtime are already primed to be accepted. Sad

julieca · 02/10/2021 16:53

Years ago people used to move closer to work. New factories opened and people moved. They did not commute long distances, or very few did.

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