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To think it wouldn't be so bad if he paid once in a while...

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moneyme · 29/09/2021 01:00

My boyfriend is from a culture that’s a little more traditional and men are expected to pay for everything.

I’m fiercely financially independent and always have been. I was married for 15 years and was the main earner. As such, I’ve always asserted that I don’t expect to be paid for by him and I know he finds that refreshing.

This is my first time ever dating someone who earns more than me (and he has infinitely more disposable income) but we still always take turns paying or split the bill.

However BF is very generous, particularly with him female friends (of which he has many), and sometimes I feel decidedly un-feminist about it all.

I can’t help feel a bit of a jealous twinge when he says he’s taking a female friend out to buy her dinner.

This week he went out with a mixed group of friends and commented the bill was very expensive and that one of the ladies had offered to help pay but ‘obviously’ the guys refused.
I couldn’t help but comment ‘funny…you never refuse when I offer to help pay….’.

I know this is a product of me absolutely insisting that I don’t expect to be paid for. He’s actually super generous and always offers to pay for random things (I’ll see something I like and he’ll say ‘why don’t I buy it for you?’), and I’m always super embarrassed and say no thank you. I’ve never once been able to bring myself to accept, although I’d love to.

Likewise I always offer to split the bill when the bill comes for dinner, and he generally accepts.

However, once in a while, I wouldn’t mind him taking me out the way he does with his friends and insisting on paying the bill. Who doesn’t want to be treated a little?!

Not sure how (or if…) to do anything about this or just to accept that I created this dynamic and just to be proud of myself for my financial independence and the fact my relationship is so balanced and happy.

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WimpoleHat · 29/09/2021 10:16

*I guess I'm just wondering where the gentlemanliness is when I offer to pay!

And likely the answer is that I've probably insisted so many times that he thinks he's being gentlemanly in respecting my wishes*

The poor bloke can’t win here! You’ve asked him not to do something he normally likes to do. It’s maybe odd for him, but he respects you and does what you asked. You can’t really knock him for that!

Cocomarine · 29/09/2021 10:18

OP, you know him. Why do you think he had to come home and tell you all about him and his mates refusing to let a woman contribute?

HarrietsChariot · 29/09/2021 10:18

Poor guy! You've told him one thing but expect him to do another, it's no wonder he's not doing what your really want.

Basically you're telling him no, don't pay for me, but want him to keep asking until you say yes? That is ridiculous and one of the reasons why men believe "no doesn't mean no" when it comes to other areas - keep pestering and they'll get what they want.

Cocomarine · 29/09/2021 10:19

I don’t like the word “gentlemanly” because who pays shouldn’t be related to your penis. So let’s say kindness instead.

Why is it seen as “kind” to ignore a woman’s wishes?

moneyme · 29/09/2021 10:22

@HarrietsChariot

Poor guy! You've told him one thing but expect him to do another, it's no wonder he's not doing what your really want.

Basically you're telling him no, don't pay for me, but want him to keep asking until you say yes? That is ridiculous and one of the reasons why men believe "no doesn't mean no" when it comes to other areas - keep pestering and they'll get what they want.

Completely. I fully acknowledge that I'm being contradictory and unreasonable.

I'm not knocking him for one minute. He's honestly fantastic.

And note I've posted this on mumsnet, I've not had a go at him about it!

I think I'm just acknowledging that hearing that he's paying for his friends did sting a little and maybe my certainty that I don't want to be paid for, isn't as strong as I always thought it was.

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moneyme · 29/09/2021 10:25

@PurpleDaisies

And likely the answer is that I've probably insisted so many times that he thinks he's being gentlemanly in respecting my wishes.

You would prefer him to think no means no until I insist a bit more?

Yikes. Good point!
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GloomAndDoom · 29/09/2021 10:25

I think I'm just acknowledging that hearing that he's paying for his friends did sting a little and maybe my certainty that I don't want to be paid for, isn't as strong as I always thought it was. I get you. It's fine to change your principles if they change.

cinnamonswir1 · 29/09/2021 10:33

moneyme - to be honest, if he’s out and about regularly with other (single) women from his culture, it doesn’t sound as if he’s from a massively traditional background?

If I had said to my husband when we were dating that I had to pay for myself and this kind of thing, he would have taken that as me “friend zoning” him or as some kind of insult.

Maybe this guy is telling you about these other women who let him pay (because, let’s face it, this is an odd thing to tell you) specifically because he feels you don’t trust him or want to ‘emasculate’ him or something similar along those lines? Maybe he feels like you keep him at arms length or are too defensive?

cinnamonswir1 · 29/09/2021 10:34

It might not be any of that - but it’s just a suggestion based on my personal experience!

DillonPanthersTexas · 29/09/2021 10:40

Why is who pays dependent on who has a penis? Keeping those stupid sex based roles going is holding all women back. We can’t just pick and choose which ones benefit us and keep them. To ge treated equally at work but not at dinner. This wasn’t even a date situation. The women should have had more respect than to have accepted and the men shouldn’t have been insisting on paying for women.

Fully agree. There does still seem to be a bit of a generational lag going on though. From my observations younger folk (women) are pretty much all subscribed to the 'go Dutch' school of paying for things when out with friends (or on dates). From my experience when you get to the 40+ demographic you find there is a sizable minority of women who still have expectations that men will pay for drinks/lunch/dinner while using words like 'chivalrous' or 'gentlemanly' to justify it. These are the same people who always make a strategic trip to the bathroom come bill time or adopt the 'fake reach' tactic of avoiding opening their purse. For blokes who absolutely insist on paying all the time it is less a gesture of generosity, or culture, but more a case of a peacock 'look at me' alpha male display.

FrankGrillosFloof · 29/09/2021 12:02

I think you’re phrasing this as you want him to pay for you sometimes but from what you’ve said, it seems that what you actually want is him not to pay for his female friends.

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