Page 3 | Being refused a company car as I'm part time

DoNotGetADog · 22/09/2021 21:15

Part time employees are not allowed to be treated less favourably than their full time colleagues, but they don’t have to be given the exact same benefits.
Like the salary, benefits can be given pro rata ie you would get 3/5 of the benefits of a full time employee. Not all things can be divided up though, and some are all of nothing.
I used to work somewhere where employees doing my job were routinely given a company car, or paid a car allowance in lieu of the car. I worked 4 days and was not allowed the car option, but was paid 4/5 of the car allowance a full time person would get.

Iamthewombat · 22/09/2021 21:16

It's an NHS lease car, so I believe minimal expense to the employer other than administrating the scheme.

Wrong! The expense to the NHS is not “minimal”. The lease will be subsidised, for a start. Who is paying for the servicing? Oh yes, the NHS. What about repairs, when you damage it? Insurance? The cost of the employees to administer the scheme is not inconsiderable either.

You’ll either qualify on business mileage grounds or you won’t, but please don’t pretend that leased cars provided to NHS employees, or other public sector employees, come at minimal cost. They really don’t.

Bluntness100 · 22/09/2021 21:18

You really don’t want an electric car, the safety risks are huge, Google it. If you do get one, you need two things, a way to charge it away from your home and an escape plan when you have the misfortune to drive it.

SecretSpAD · 22/09/2021 21:24

I've been in and out of the NHS for years and I've never heard of a part timer ring banned for having a lease car. It's nit sex discrimination though. Not even sure it's discrimination, more an arse of a boss, but I might be wrong.

TractorAndHeadphones · 22/09/2021 21:41

@Iamthewombat

It's an NHS lease car, so I believe minimal expense to the employer other than administrating the scheme.

Wrong! The expense to the NHS is not “minimal”. The lease will be subsidised, for a start. Who is paying for the servicing? Oh yes, the NHS. What about repairs, when you damage it? Insurance? The cost of the employees to administer the scheme is not inconsiderable either.

You’ll either qualify on business mileage grounds or you won’t, but please don’t pretend that leased cars provided to NHS employees, or other public sector employees, come at minimal cost. They really don’t.

The OP probably means that it doesn’t cost them any more to give her one, seeing as she does more miles than some full timers even.

Also sorry OP didn’t read that you were on 3 days a week!

SpamIAm · 22/09/2021 21:59

I think some people are confused about what the OP actually wants here - she wants to lease a car, via the salary sacrifice scheme offered by her employer. She doesn't want use of a car that her employer is leasing for staff to use.

idontlikealdi · 22/09/2021 22:04

I'm private sector but you need to earn above a threshold to get a car allowance or salary sacrifice with company benefit. You'd have to be a pretty high earner to do that p/t.

surreygirl1987 · 22/09/2021 22:23

@SpamIAm ah I was confused actually. Thank you for clarifying.

TaraR2020 · 22/09/2021 22:25

@Cheshirewife

Why should a PT employee get the same benefits as a FT employee? Hardly discrimination.

Except it is.

HalzTangz · 22/09/2021 22:30

Check the T&C, staff at our company are only entitled to a company car if they will drive 10000 miles per year for business trips. Commutes to the regular office place are not included in the milage. Full time/part time doesn't factor in.

Anyone travelling less than 10000 use a department pool car

KrisAkabusi · 22/09/2021 22:53

@Bluntness100

You really don’t want an electric car, the safety risks are huge, Google it. If you do get one, you need two things, a way to charge it away from your home and an escape plan when you have the misfortune to drive it.

Nonsense, electric cars are no more dangerous than any other type of car.

gavisconismyfriend · 22/09/2021 23:00

The lease is dependent on your doing sufficient business miles to qualify. As a part-time member of staff you simply may not do enough miles at work. It isn’t discrimination, it’s the criterion set by the lease company to make the contract financially viable

Zeal · 22/09/2021 23:05

[quote Blahdyblahbla]@Zeal, in order to provide health care to individuals there must be staff. Those staff must be renumeration for their work, unless you are suggesting we return to the days of slavery or bonded labour. Part of that renumeration can be made up of benefits other than salary.
I'm assuming you are a troll so will just hope you find your bridge again soon. Ta-ra[/quote]
Calm down. All those are your words, not mine. You really do have the wrong end of the stick and have misinterpreted my post.

HahaAreyouSerious · 22/09/2021 23:08

"Anyway, I thought the NHS was about the healthcare of individuals, not car finance and leasing. Just throw that one out there."

See, those things called jobs often have things attached them, like not having to work 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

I hear in some places they even let people have holidays for free!
Some of them don't even have to lose their livelihood if they have a baby or become disabled while on the job.
Sometimes they're even allowed to be paid a percentage to be able to get to work in order to take care of sick people???

I agree with you, get them all back darning socks I say, and while we're at it, get the kids back up the chimneys.

If they get hungry they can eat the birds that nest in the chimney pot.

HalzTangz · 22/09/2021 23:09

@SpamIAm

I think some people are confused about what the OP actually wants here - she wants to lease a car, via the salary sacrifice scheme offered by her employer. She doesn't want use of a car that her employer is leasing for staff to use.

It doesn't help that her title says company car

Zeal · 22/09/2021 23:10

Or that she says 'deductible' when 'sacrifice' has a completely different meaning and outcome under ITEPA 2003.

DixonD · 22/09/2021 23:12

@Cheshirewife

Why should a PT employee get the same benefits as a FT employee? Hardly discrimination.

Why should they? It’s against the law to treat part time workers less favourably than full time workers.

There’s a whole piece of legislation on it.

Apparently, if a benefit cannot easily be given to a part time worker for whatever reason, you cannot give it to a full time worker. Such benefits would usually be completely withdrawn.

HahaAreyouSerious · 22/09/2021 23:12

"please don’t pretend that leased cars provided to NHS employees, or other public sector employees, come at minimal cost. They really don’t."

Maybe of they were paid better for the work they did they could afford their own car that didn't have to be tied to their employment.
Maybe there wouldn't be as many needing to" leech" benefits like others usually suggest in these threads.

Fuck it, let's all work for free!

DixonD · 22/09/2021 23:16

[quote Cheshirewife]@icedcoffees

I’m an employment lawyer.

That certainly isn’t the law!

Maybe leave the “idiot-splaining” for those who know less than you... (probably no one!)[/quote]
Er, if you were an employment lawyer you would know the legislation. I’ve been doing huge research on this very subject this week.

You are not an employment lawyer. If you are, you’re a very bad one.

Iamthewombat · 22/09/2021 23:20

@HahaAreyouSerious

"please don’t pretend that leased cars provided to NHS employees, or other public sector employees, come at minimal cost. They really don’t."

Maybe of they were paid better for the work they did they could afford their own car that didn't have to be tied to their employment.
Maybe there wouldn't be as many needing to" leech" benefits like others usually suggest in these threads.

Fuck it, let's all work for free!

Are you quite well? Your post comes off as rather an incoherent rant. Although slightly less so than your earlier post, aimed at a different poster, in which you talk about darning socks and sending children up chimneys!

atomicnotsoblonde · 22/09/2021 23:25

Find your trust policy and go from there. I doubt very much that this is in the policy. If you can't find it, ask HR and copy him in. There's a cost saving if it's salary sacrifice, so they are generally supportive.

NavigatingAdolescence · 22/09/2021 23:33

The OP said her manager “didn’t think” she could apply as a part timer.

It’s possible that they have this impression because others have been caught by the NMW issues and mistakenly thinks that’s due to the part time aspect, not the actual earnings. Simple human error is the most likely explanation here.

ClareBlue · 22/09/2021 23:37

It's because it is a salary sacrifice and not a deduction. Though it can be a deduction but you don't get the tax break if it is a deduction. You can't sacrifice your salary to below the NMW but you can have as many deductions as you authorise. In theory you can end up with no pay if you authorise enough deductions for different things.
So you need to divide the 330 a month sacrifice into your hours and take that reduction in hourly rate from your 24 per hour. As long as this is above the NMW you qualify. The 330 will only take you below if you do less than 25 hours a month, which seems unlikely. Your figures look like you do around 80 hours, so you do qualifying.

ithinkilikeit · 22/09/2021 23:53

@MiddlesexGirl wrong. Most of the people who are part time are female.

Moraxella · 23/09/2021 07:30

There are some pension implications if you get a salary sacrifice car via the NHS. Search MSE