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Gas and electricity bills to soar

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Cosmos123 · 18/09/2021 17:33

This is worrying as it will push many into fuel poverty.
Rising food prices and empty shelves.
Is anyone worried?

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Shamoo · 20/09/2021 12:14

@the80sweregreat I am with Shell and it all seems fine, they are still offering new deals etc

Horst · 20/09/2021 12:17

Our DD is under review currently with British Gas I’m expecting it to rise however definitely glad that’s the energy company we are with right now.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/09/2021 12:27

@MojoMoon

Those are wholesale prices for one specific day - wholesale prices make up only about 50pc of the end user bill. The rest is grid fees, taxes and levies.

The UK is mid table for end user costs once all those are added on. Germany, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Denmark and Ireland are above us.

www.statista.com/statistics/1046505/household-electricity-prices-european-union-eu28-country/

The government could remove the a large chunk of the levies and taxes on electricity bills and pay for them out of general taxation which would be more progressive. But they prefer to hide them in your bill so you blame the supplier and not the government.

Mojo Do you happen to have any information on how reliant each country is on natural gas? Are there countries more reliant on renewables in Europe and would they be shielded from some of the impact?

I guess a crunch question is - if the going gets tough in Europe, will our supply get squeezed disproportionately, can they and would they restrict our supply to protect their own?

HomeSliceKnowsBest · 20/09/2021 12:32

All those people now working from home will be shafted completely.

BarbaraofSeville · 20/09/2021 12:36

Why? Many people will be saving a lot of time and money on commuting that will more than offset a little extra heating. Last winter I put a hoodie on and just pressed the boost button on the heating a couple of times a day.

Plus I had time to go out for a good walk each lunchtime, which gets the blood pumping and stops you feeling cold for a good couple of hours afterwards.

PattyPan · 20/09/2021 12:37

@MrsLargeEmbodied

people will be less keen on wfh now
My office is always freezing due to the air conditioning being set to a temperature for ‘man in suit’. At least at home I can wear my slippers and oodie! And a few hundred extra on my energy bills is still less than the £5k+ I’m saving on commuting costs.

@the80sweregreat yes Shell Energy are still trading

StormyTeacups · 20/09/2021 12:38

I don't understand Bulb at all. They are telling me we are using twice the amount of gas as a normal 4 bed house, when the only thing we use has for is hot water/heating and the hob. At this time of year we don't have the heating on at all.

Last statement said we were using 10 times what we did this time last year, and of course I can't speak to anyone 🤦

MrsLargeEmbodied · 20/09/2021 12:42

not only wfh
but the retired,
those at home with children and those disabled

they cant go for a brisk lunchtime walk!

mum2jakie · 20/09/2021 12:46

@HomeSliceKnowsBest

All those people now working from home will be shafted completely.
I think I'll still be better off even with increased heating costs by saving on petrol for a 5 day commute. I suppose it depends how far people were travelling to and from their base previously.
BowlofNothing · 20/09/2021 12:48

@the80sweregreat

Does anyone know if Shell energy is still trading ? Or with them ?
They are still trading, I am with them and have spoken to them today.
SciFiScream · 20/09/2021 12:50

We're in a 3 bed semi detached in Scotland. Dual fuel but only has for heating and hot water. Shower, oven, everything else electric.
2 adults and 2 DC (15 and 11). We've always tried to keep our energy bills low, mainly from an environmental perspective, but they have creeped up to a joint cost of £95 and look like they will be £160 pcm very soon.

It's mad. We can afford it, probably by cutting back in other areas. I worry about those whose budgets are extremely finely balanced and that this, along with other increases, will cause all sorts of poverty.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/09/2021 13:00

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, or if I've got my calcs wrong. I've fixed with ovo a few weeks ago for gas at 4p/KwH. That's about £1.20/Therm.
Market gas prices are £1.76/Therm at the moment.

How can I be paying so much less than the market price and how on earth can energy companies survive that sort of loss?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/09/2021 13:01

It was only two weeks ago that I fixed. Confused
They must be predicting gas prices to come down a lot. Or they were really crap at predicting this.

Thankyoupeter · 20/09/2021 13:02

Can anyone explain the price cap please because it isn't a cap on the total amount you will pay and is a cap on the standing charge and unit rate I believe? I can't find what those capped rates are anywhere. Everywhere gives a pointless figure of around £1,200 per year but makes clear this is based on average useage. Sainsbury's for example quotes me £175 per month on the SVR which is over £2,000 a year. I don't understand how I am supposed to work out if I am better off on a fixed rate to be honest?

Claudethecat · 20/09/2021 13:03

You need to compare tariffs to get the true picture.

NothingIsWrong · 20/09/2021 13:04

Just invested in a hot water bottle for each of the children to preheat their beds, try and keep the heating to a minimum. We have two log burners and a shed full of wood, which will help with the downstairs

Claudethecat · 20/09/2021 13:04

Oh sorry you said you can't find them.

userxx · 20/09/2021 13:08

@OhYouBadBadKitten

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, or if I've got my calcs wrong. I've fixed with ovo a few weeks ago for gas at 4p/KwH. That's about £1.20/Therm. Market gas prices are £1.76/Therm at the moment.

How can I be paying so much less than the market price and how on earth can energy companies survive that sort of loss?

They cant. That's why they go bump.
BarbaraofSeville · 20/09/2021 13:18

@OhYouBadBadKitten

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, or if I've got my calcs wrong. I've fixed with ovo a few weeks ago for gas at 4p/KwH. That's about £1.20/Therm. Market gas prices are £1.76/Therm at the moment.

How can I be paying so much less than the market price and how on earth can energy companies survive that sort of loss?

They should have pre-guaranteed the price they pay. This is how it should work for utilities supply and also fixed rate mortgages etc.

They have a contract with a supplier to buy a package of energy/funding at a certain price and they then sell that at a profit to customers by offering it at a fixed price for a certain time (or a fixed rate mortgage).

What they're supposed to do is match the amount of energy they have available to sell with the customers usage, but some of these smaller suppliers have failed to do this, so they're faced with a contract to supply energy to a customer at a certain price until X date, but have run out of energy available (this is all virtual, whoever pays for the energy, it comes straight from the power station/gas network to our homes, but the financial arrangement goes via a third party).

So the intermediary has to buy more energy at a higher price and sell it at a loss to their customers. Hence why so many of them are at risk of going bust, they're racking up large debts.

Someone on MSE has posted an analysis of Avro's balance sheet showing how it's gone from one inexperienced 20 YO starting an energy company(!) possibly helped by his dad, to a well known supplier that lost £27M in 2019 and it looks like the owner managed to skim off some large profits for himself along the way.

forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6298311/how-can-so-many-energy-companies-fail-theyre-built-on-sand-a-total-scam

justasking111 · 20/09/2021 13:18

All those feeling relief that Shell etc are still offering deals we flew out with monarch four years ago on a Friday they were still selling holidays the next day when they went bump. The foreign office staff had also been flown out on the same day Friday that we were. To coordinate flights home for victims of the collapse.

Believe me you will be the last to know

CorrBlimeyGG · 20/09/2021 13:23

@OhYouBadBadKitten The utilities you're using now will be based on wholesale prices/ agreements made a year ago. The higher rates people are seeing now is only the start of the problem.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/09/2021 13:24

Thank you Barbara. That's really interesting.
So does that mean that when energy companies fail the whole thing could become like a pack of cards? People switch or are forced onto new to them intermediaries who may not have the gas to sell to a suddenly much larger customer base?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/09/2021 13:28

Corr I guess Im partly asking is why did Ovo two weeks ago sell me a rate based on last years prices that they paid rather than anticipate what was about to happen and shove some extra on? Otherwise, why are prices suddenly going up now for people based on what is happening in the market right now?
I feel like Im being really thick here!

Roominmyhouse · 20/09/2021 13:37

@CausingChaos2

My account with bulb is still working at the moment. Worrying times ahead.
Mine too. I’m £270 in credit with them, so really hope I don’t lose that!
Stellaris22 · 20/09/2021 14:02

FYI for anyone concerned about their suppliers going bust www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/memorandum-understanding-energy-supply-company-administration

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