Peg the Patriarchy

[AICM]

A top.model went to the Met Gala wearing a top that says Peg (meaning fuck- sort of) the Patriarchy.

AIBU to think this is a little like biting the hand that feeds.

She is a multi millionaire purely because she is thin and pretty and conforms to the Patriarchy's view of what a women should look like.

The Patriarchy has rewarded her for looks and she is enjoying a lavish lifestyle no doubt.

What is her problem with the Patriarchy?

So any woman who finds some advantages in the system that we live in has no right to criticise any aspects of that system? Even when she has also experienced harms from that very same system?

Are only fat, poor, ugly women allowed to criticise the patriarchy?

@AICM

The Patriarchy has made her rich.

It gave her a platform, and she’s putting it to good use.

The slogan (as problematic as I think it is) was also stolen from a “fat, queer, POC” artist (quoting the artist’s own description).

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So any woman who finds some advantages in the system that we live in has no right to criticise any aspects of that system? Even when she has also experienced harms from that very same system?

Are only fat, poor, ugly women allowed to criticise the patriarchy?

As @CloseYourEyesAndSee put it, I couldn't agree more.

Is this a serious thread? You’re objecting to her being offensive about the patriarchy and wish to put her down as she’s successful only because of them, has a rich dad and is thin and pretty? Sure those things have a bearing but the woman’s allowed to habe an opinion.

And when you start putting woman down and bigging up blokes for their success you need to go sit in a darkened room and wonder what’s wrong with you,

Cara Delevigne was sexually harassed by Harvey Weinstein, so perhaps you ought to reconsider your view that she benefits from the patriarchy.

YABU.

She is not “propping up the patriarchy”. Men are. You are blaming the patriarchy on women, and think that by blaming it on skinny and rich women only you are doing a good thing for the rest of us. STOP VICTIM BLAMING.

It's just an example of the uber wealthy classes trying to identify with the plebs in order to fit in. And to claim that they're victims too.
Cara Delevigne is about as rich and privileged as they come. Look up her family and all their connections.Makes me sick to see these people virtue signalling.

YABU - ideally, people who have power and influence should question the systems that 'made' them rather than placing the burden of activisim and change on those most marginalised by them. So yes, her being a conventionally attractive, rich, white model with privilege up to her eyeballs and using that platform to speak out on it is exactly the right thing to do.

What I hate is that she's equating being pegged (aka being penetrated) to a bad thing. "Haha, peg the patriarchy, that'll show them!". Poor message, great execution.

@bootsyjam

It's just an example of the uber wealthy classes trying to identify with the plebs in order to fit in. And to claim that they're victims too. Cara Delevigne is about as rich and privileged as they come. Look up her family and all their connections.Makes me sick to see these people virtue signalling.

a) she was assaulted by Harvey Weinstein, so quite literally a victim

b) privilege does not make you entirely immune to systemic inequality, even if it makes you less suspectible to some kinds of inequality

c) should we place the burden of activism and change on people most affected, giving them more to deal with? Or should we expect the people with a platform to reach others to do the work instead?

Who's going to get a bigger audience - a world-famous model, or a random woman from a shithole town in the UK nobody's ever heard of? Whose contribution has more reach? Why would we discourage that?

@bootsyjam

It's just an example of the uber wealthy classes trying to identify with the plebs in order to fit in. And to claim that they're victims too. Cara Delevigne is about as rich and privileged as they come. Look up her family and all their connections.Makes me sick to see these people virtue signalling.

The thing about misogyny is that affects pretty much all women. As has been posted above Cara has been sexually assaulted. Oprah too, rich as she is. There's never been a female President of the US, regardless of money. Sexual assault and other aspects of the patriarchy travel regardless of class. One of the poshest women I know was sexually assaulted for years in childhood. Is she just 'claiming' to be a victim of male violence?

Would I rather be me, able to buy some safety? Of course. But that doesn't mean I don't think about male violence and that it hasn't been part of my life.

Good for Cara.

Absolutely hilarious.

The aristocratic socially and financially connected multi millionaire (before she even started) Cara Delevigne is a victim of the patriarchy rather than a beneficiary. Think about this. 25k+ for a ticket. She's rubbed shoulders with dubious characters in the film/modelling industry for years. And by the way, most men aren't creeps either. And she is a victim now? We should see her as 'one of our own?

Absolutely hilarious.

She is manipulating you.
As normal women we have faced all kinds of stuff in our lives and still have managed to achieve what we have.

She has not been through ANYTHING that we have, and wants to claim a similar status. Because it's fashionable at the moment, she wants to jump on the bandwagon and hey, if the world comes falling down and the revolution occurs then don't forget that 'I'm one of you too!'

These entertainers, and let's not forget that's what they are, have no similarities to us. None. Their wealth, privilege and status is far and beyond what we will ever achieve. They are not victims.

But hey just please forget that I'm part of a multi millionaire family of aristocrats, I'm a model and an actress and have made even more money in a system that I claim to hate. Go sisters go!

But then again I suppose it means that if someone as privileged as she is can claim to be a victim then it opens the door for what appears to be the pampered middle class 'victims ' that populate this website to have a moan as well.

Just remember those working class girls (shock horror do we even mention these oiks on here) that were systematically raped with the compliance/disinterest of the authorities all across the country for years. Let's concentrate on THAT rather than a dress worn by a multi millionaire actress/model

Seriously ladies, what the hell are we doing by defending this virtue signalling multi millionaire aristocratic hypocrite as someone we can identify with in her 'struggle against the patriarchy.'

Absolutely hilarious.

You're a great Marxist @bootsyjam but I'm not sure that's feminism as I understand it if a women who has been sexually assaulted doesn't count because she's rich.

I think she needs to give credit to the women who actually designed the shirt in 2015, Luna Matatas.

I'm not a Marxistin any sense. I'm a full blown capitalist and proud of it.

But as I have stated, someone who has profited off the system, as well as her family, simply cannot then claim to be a victim of it in my opinion.

Seriously, have you read the Hunger Games? You know that the people in the Capitol WEREN'T the goodies?
Oh wait, one of them wore a statement on a dress so they're a goodie now.
Give me strength.

This is cynical celebrity trend chasing/bandwagon hopping by Delavigne and I can't stand it. Which I suppose is quite obvious:)

I could not buy in to the idea that a rich, attractive woman cannot be a feminist. Attractive men can also earn a living from being good looking, and men and women provide the revenue streams that make attractive people wealthy. This woman cannot help the way she looks, and this cannot be put down to the patriarchy. As feminists we need to be inclusive of everybody, and sometimes we are not.

To be clear. As a white person, can I criticise white privilege when people’s attention is on me? Is that what OP is saying but with women - patriarchy?

Also I need to stop using “s/he pegged me” when small child randomly attaches clothes pegs to my jumper, ninja style.

I'm not sure if the plot of the hunger games serves well as political analysis on the same level as radical feminism or dialectical materialism tbh

@bootsyjam

I'm not a Marxistin any sense. I'm a full blown capitalist and proud of it.

But as I have stated, someone who has profited off the system, as well as her family, simply cannot then claim to be a victim of it in my opinion.

Seriously, have you read the Hunger Games? You know that the people in the Capitol WEREN'T the goodies?
Oh wait, one of them wore a statement on a dress so they're a goodie now.
Give me strength.

This is cynical celebrity trend chasing/bandwagon hopping by Delavigne and I can't stand it. Which I suppose is quite obvious:)

I've "profited off the system". I'm not the famous model offspring of a very rich man, but I was born to solidly MC, well capitalised white parents. Therefore the fact that I'm a rape victim doesn't matter? What's the cutoff - does my oppression count but it wouldn't have if I'd been prettier, or if my parents' total capital had been in eight figures? Only the very poorest and most oppressed members of society have valid oppression? Because anybody who has a marginalized identity who has lived any length of time in the world has profited from "the system" in some way, even as they've been oppressed by it. What equation are you constructing, exactly, of profit Vs oppression to calculate net victimisation?

The phrase is funny. We use fuck this, fuck that, fuck cancer, fuck my life etc all the time without anyone getting upset about it.

Fuck the patriarchy would mean something similar if a man said it (and not be questioned or called a “rape threat” ) but for a woman to “fuck” anything it still puts her in a submissive and vulnerable position (literally letting someone inside your body) so by replacing it with “peg” it asserts a dominance that “fuck” simply doesn’t have coming from a woman. I love it as a slogan! And wearing it to a high profile event is brilliant. I have no idea about CDL and her background/career etc but anyone who wants to stand up for women against the tyranny of men is ok in my book.

I preferred the dress in America suffragette colours, that was stunning.

So you're not allowed to criticise the society or system you happen to live in unless it gives you no benefits whatsoever?! That's ridiculous. By that token, a wealthy person is a hypocrite if they vote for a socialist party, and people whose children go to grammar schools because they live in a gs area and passed the exam shouldn't criticise the grammar school system.

You can only live in the system that exists. Whether it brings you some benefits or not, how can campaigning for a better system be a bad thing? Arguably it takes more selflessness to vote or campaign for something that's for the greater good but not necessarily your own!

@ItsNotUnusualToBe

To be clear. As a white person, can I criticise white privilege when people’s attention is on me? Is that what OP is saying but with women - patriarchy?

No. Worse, she's saying if you are a Black person, who profits from the system as it is, you can't. Oprah, Obama, Idris Elba because they have done well, and are rich, can't wear something saying 'BLM' or similar. Utterly bizarre because essentially it means that as soon as someone from a group suffering oppression gets their head far enough over the parapet to get a platform and a voice, they aren't worth listening to.

Convenient for the rich, straight, white men because I assume they're still allowed to talk.

BTW Carnival Row is good with her and Orloondo Bland. Watching it will doubtless add to her fortune and oppress us 'real women' further.