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Property might be unmortgageable - what happens now?

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Welcometomyhouse · 13/09/2021 22:21

Evening.. I was going to post this in the property section but thought there would be more traffic here. Just wondering if anyone has been through a similar situation and what was the outcome?

I’m a first time buyer purchasing a first floor flat on my own. The lady who is selling the property inherited it from her mother who lived there for 20 years. There is a mix of houses and flats on the street, however only my downstairs neighbour and I are leasehold, whilst all the other properties (including the flats) are freehold. When I went to view the property I asked the EA if there were any services charges and they explained that the management/maintenance company no longer existed. In the 20 years that the woman lived there she never had to pay any service charge nor did anyone request any payment from her. The daughter has tried to contact the company multiples times but has not been able to get in touch with anyone, so she believes that it has dissolved. I believe this to be true as all the communal areas are overflowing with weeds etc and it is clear that no one has maintained it for some time now. The gardens are kept tidy, grass cut etc but that’s because the neighbours do it themselves.

All searches have come back and I’ve had my report but my solicitor is still awaiting a response from the other side in regards to this issue. The vendors solicitor didn’t send sufficient documentation in regards to this other than “the sellers mother hasn’t paid any service charges for 20 years and we believe the company has now dissolved”. They’ve told us that they will have an indemnity policy put in the contract to protect me incase someone tries to come after me in the future and demand payment. My solicitor isn’t happy with this and has said she doesn’t think the mortgage lender will be either. I don’t understand all this legal talk but I went into her office today and she gave me a few examples which helped me understand the severity of it.

1.	The management company own the outside of the property and are suppose to insure it. Because the company no longer exists the building is currently uninsured and if both flats went up in flames/flooded etc we’d be screwed. 

2.	The management company are responsible for dealing with any repairs etc. We are suppose to pay a monthly service charge to them and in return they deal with any repairs. Because they no longer exist there is no agreement in place which explains who is responsible for what and who pays for what. I’m on the first floor and if a slate fell off my roof and there was water gushing through my ceiling, technically both my neighbour and I would be responsible for paying for the repairs but they could just tell me to piss off and there’s nothing that I could do about it. If the management company was still active it would be their responsibility to enforce that they pay half the bill. The same could apply if they came to me with an issue, I could just tell them to get lost. 

3.	Similar to the above issue. If my downstairs neighbour was playing loud music until 1am, the only thing I could do is go down there and ask them to stop. Again, If the management company existed it would be their responsibility to enforce this. 

4.	If nobody has paid any services charges for over 20 years, then there might not have been any repairs done on the building in quite some time.

Whilst waiting for the other side to come back, my solicitor suggested that I knock the neighbours door to see if I could find out any more information but the lady downstairs wasn’t in today. I’ve left a note with my phone number on asking her to give me a ring to have a quick chat. My solicitor is doing everything that she can but has been honest with me and said that the property might be unmortgageable unless the vendors solicitor can provide sufficient documentation, however I’m not confident that she’ll be able to if the company no longer exists… it will then be up to the lender to make the final decision. It is out of our control now.

Apologies for the very long winded post. My anxiety is through the roof at the minute and it’s awful being told this after 9 weeks of waiting around. Surely things like this happen all the time and there must be a way around it? Sad

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Welcometomyhouse · 15/09/2021 20:07

@DameFanny I have nothing in writing. They told me about the indemnity policy when I first phoned up to arrange a viewing, it was actually the first thing they said oddly enough. They mentioned it at the viewing too

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Lockdownbear · 15/09/2021 20:07

Op you've spend a thousand pounds, every time you call your solicitor you're adding to that bill, walk away or Sit tight and let the seller do the chasing.
Let the seller hunt and sort the mess or you'd be buying someone else's problems. Its not an investment if you can't sell it on.

jwpetal · 15/09/2021 20:12

I would walk away. It sounds like a headache. Getting on the housing ladder takes time but you will get there. Take this first outing as a lesson learned. The more you learn the better you can see what is best for you.

DameFanny · 15/09/2021 20:13

@Welcometomyhouse it fucking sucks and I'm sorry this is happening to you Flowers

NoSquirrels · 15/09/2021 20:14

[quote Welcometomyhouse]@DameFanny I have nothing in writing. They told me about the indemnity policy when I first phoned up to arrange a viewing, it was actually the first thing they said oddly enough. They mentioned it at the viewing too [/quote]
How long ago did your solicitor find out about the leasehold issue? Was it the first thing you mentioned to her? Or did it not come up as something you specifically drew her attention to in the beginning?

NoSquirrels · 15/09/2021 20:16

@Welcometomyhouse

It's easy for people to say pull out when their not stuck renting and paying off someone else's mortgage! I despise renting and I'm fucking depressed here. Sorry, but I don't think people realise how heartbreaking it is to walk away from something that you've had your heart set on from day 1. All the leg work that my solicitor and I have done and to get to the very last stage and have this happen just fucking sucks. 1k might not be a lot to some people but it is to me. I'm not a cash buyer with thousands in the bank.

I know you're all just trying to be help but sometimes it's just nice to be told that fucking sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you

It fucking sucks and I’m sorry it’s happened to you. Flowers
Welcometomyhouse · 15/09/2021 20:24

Thank you Thanks

@NoSquirrels only last week. The sellers solicitor has been really slow through this whole process and only sent the documents over 6 weeks ago, after my solicitor chased them. I did mention to my solicitor in the beginning about what I'd been told in regards to the indemnity policy but she said she'd have to look at the paperwork once it had come through. I honestly didn't realise it was so serious as the estate agents were so blaze about it and stupid me believed them but I guess they'd sell their mum for a tenner!

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AmandaHugenkiss · 15/09/2021 20:25

OP it really does suck and I’m so sorry it’s happened to you.

I got burned on the first flat I offered on; the lease was down to 70 years, the bank valued it 30k less than it was on for and the seller refused to budge. I lost about £500 on that and 6 weeks. I was heartbroken, I loved it and had the bank not refused to mortgage it at what I’d offered, I would have thrown good money after bad on that and ended up in a bad position. She had to rent it out in the end as she couldn’t sell it.

Second was a house I had an offer accepted on, I forked out for a survey and turned out they had actually accepted another offer but wanted to see who could get to the best position quickest. Lost about £700 on that but wasn’t emotionally attached after the first debacle.

Third time was lucky although incredibly stressful. Your solicitor sounds fab, hang on to her for your next offer. I’d honestly walk away from this situation rather than end up throwing tons of money at it and regretting it long term.

Hugs and 💐

Welcometomyhouse · 15/09/2021 20:28

In all fairness to myself, my mum came with me to the viewing and even she didn't realise how serious it was and she's had a mortgage for 30+ years...

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Honeyroar · 15/09/2021 20:29

I’m really sorry for you OP. It must be so upsetting. I think I would talk to the mortgage provider now, just to have it in black white what they want/need.

TakeYourFinalPosition · 15/09/2021 20:30

@Welcometomyhouse It does suck, and I'm sorry Flowers. Buying and selling here is atrocious, you lose money every time it falls apart. We look like we're about to lose £4.5k because our buyer can't get a mortgage... We lost £3k earlier this year because our vendor decided not to sell as they couldn't find anything they liked. It's horrendous, and then there's all the time you spend on top...

They told me about the indemnity policy when I first phoned up to arrange a viewing, it was actually the first thing they said oddly enough

The cynic in me thinks that they've had a lot of people turn this down already, or they know that most people would run away, so they're being upfront about it in a guarded way. I don't want to say that they're trying to make sure it's only viewed by people who don't know enough about leaseholds to run away, but it could easily be that...

I'm sorry, though. It's rubbish.

Marleymoo42 · 15/09/2021 20:30

Walk away. Even if you get a mortgage and live there with no problems you will have exactly this problem when you come to selling the future and people wont want to buy it.

I know 9 weeks of waiting is hell and you dont want to walk away but the reason it takes so long is so that these legal checks can be made and stop you putting your savings into a potentially uninsured or usellable flat.

I am in a similar situation so feel your pain.

Welcometomyhouse · 15/09/2021 20:31

I'm really sorry to hear that you had such bad luck with the first two properties but I'm glad that you found your perfect home eventually @AmandaHugenkiss Thanks it's so so hard isn't it... really not the experience I was expecting and I thought I'd be lucky as a first time buyer. Nothing in life is simple eh?

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MummyofTw0 · 15/09/2021 20:34

You should walk away
It's affordable for a reason

tommyhoundmum · 15/09/2021 20:39

You will have to have a survey. But, better to walk away from this. It sounds like a mess.

Gbtch · 15/09/2021 20:39

Don’t buy it!
Please!
You will, I am certain, find something else.
Don’t buy
Don’t buy
Don’t buy!

Welcometomyhouse · 15/09/2021 20:40

I'm so so sorry @TakeYourFinalPosition. I feel awful now complaining about 1k. That is horrendous, I'm sorry xx

@Marleymoo42 I know, I know all of this deep down. I'm just so gutted. I know there are a million other properties out it's just so hard when you put all your hopes and dreams into something. I'm sorry about your situation too xx

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altiara · 15/09/2021 20:43

Are you solicitors bills already £1k?
Mine said they’d only charge for the searches done if I didn’t get to complete on the house. I think that would’ve been a few hundred. (Although they didn’t have leasehold stuff to look into).

AngelDelightUk · 15/09/2021 20:47

Are they definitely leasehold? I have a maisonette which is a block of four, but my one and the one above have joint freehold on our side, and the other two have joint freehold for theirs. It’s a nightmare in that you have to sort out joint building insurance, but from what I can work out ground rent etc was never paid prior to that

Vixyboo · 15/09/2021 20:48

I bought a ground floor flat last year. I own it but I pay service charges. This ensures the grounds and buildings are maintained. Let me give you one example: recently they have had all internal doors checked for fire safety. My front door may need replaced following on from this check. It is not something I would have known had they not been involved.

Also, I renewed the lease on my flat at a cost of £15k when I bought it. Otherwise I could have ended up in a few years time with no mortgage company wanting to know about it. You have to be so careful not to end up with a property with no value. You'll be stuck with it.

I appreciate you have emotions towards the property and have called if your flat in your posts, but please don't let emotions override what is happening.

I found a different flat initially, brand new, huge inside but it fell through. I was so gutted. However, where we now live has worked out so much better for us.

Without maintenance for 20 years there are so many problems that building could have not least damp or structural issues. However, fire safety following on from Grenfell would be in my mind first. When they checked our doors recently they explained the Grenfell fire had changed what checks need to be done.

Please seek some advice.

Marleymoo42 · 15/09/2021 20:49

The system is awful. We had to pull out on a house after all sorts of legal issues were revealed. We had paid legal costs, survey etc. We had school places for our kids.

We made the difficult decision to go ahead with the sale of our old house as it has taken so long to get a buyer. We are currently living with family praying this next purchase will go through.

You dont always hear about peoples house buying drama but it's pretty common. Just imagine trying to sell this flat while wanting to buy somewhere else in the future. The person buying it would get 9 weeks in before most likely pulling out. That would be a worse situation than you're in now. Sorry you're going through this.

Welcometomyhouse · 15/09/2021 20:49

I know something else will come up one day. I think I will have to take a break for maybe a year or two and try and save a bit more so I have more options. The flat was only 80k (valued at 90 by the mortgage lender). Flats are around 100k upwards around here. I only have a 5% deposit and earn 20k. It doesn't sound like much but it's been hard to save that much whilst renting at the same time. They will only lend me 79k. I've used 3k of my savings to pay off my car loan as the lender wouldn't lend to me unless I paid that off first. Paid it off two weeks ago because I thought everything would be ok and found out a week later that the flat might not even be mortgageable. Just absolutely gutted.

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sgtmajormum · 15/09/2021 21:00

I'd walk away from this purchase.

If the management company is no longer operating then the freeholder is responsible for maintaining the building (although you will most likely be liable for 50% of the costs) and should be arranging buildings insurance which again you should pay your share of.

As it looks like no repairs have been undertaken in a long time then you could end up with large bills as there will be no pot built up as no service charges are being collected.
If you are a first time buyer I would not proceed unless you will be able to afford future unknown bills.

Lifethroughlenses · 15/09/2021 21:13

Walk away. It’s not worth the financial uncertainty and stress however much you love it.

ChargingBuck · 15/09/2021 21:15

@Welcometomyhouse

It's easy for people to say pull out when their not stuck renting and paying off someone else's mortgage! I despise renting and I'm fucking depressed here. Sorry, but I don't think people realise how heartbreaking it is to walk away from something that you've had your heart set on from day 1. All the leg work that my solicitor and I have done and to get to the very last stage and have this happen just fucking sucks. 1k might not be a lot to some people but it is to me. I'm not a cash buyer with thousands in the bank.

I know you're all just trying to be help but sometimes it's just nice to be told that fucking sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you

Hey, PP do understand, & yes - it really sucks.

Paying rent, at a cost that absolutely compromises your ability to save for a deposit is frustrating, & it's no wonder you are disappointed after chasing what looked like a solution to that problem.

But this flat could cost you way more than the £1k you have already shelled out. It could even cost more than a few year's extra rental - property lawyers are not cheap, & 20 years of unpaid leasehold expenses could end up in your lap.

It's good that you are asking your solicitor for a brutal assessment tomorrow. In the example I referenced upthread, I eventually asked the surveyor - "if I were your niece, would you let me buy this house?"
He said "absolutely not, & there would be a family conference if you didn't listen."
I am so glad I listened.

You have every right to feel angry, especially at the estate agents & everyone concerned with making a sale who've been telling you this is do-able. But this is temporary set-back. I've had times in my life when I've taken on evening work in addition to the full time job, in order to scrabble enough cash together to service a mortgage. Are you able to channel all your disappointed energy into any extra work, to help you save up a bigger deposit? It's unfair, but it's real life - you can buy a flat in a few months or years, by coming up with ways of reducing expenditure & increasing income.

Take care, keep looking forward, & you are right - this thwarted purchase experience sucks, but you really are best off out of it.