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To not put the house back to what it was?

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QuantumDog2 · 13/09/2021 21:55

I've rented the house I live in currently for nearly 9 years. When I moved in it was a new build and we were the first to live here, so obviously a buy to let. The walls were all trade paint magnolia and the carpets were cheap, exactly the way new builds are presented as standard.
Over the years I've decorated it and made some improvements like extending the patio and I spend £1400 on new flooring for the lounge because the carpet was worn out by that stage and looked grotty.
Now I'm leaving as I've bought somewhere with my partner, but contractually apparently I have to return the property the way I found it. I'm 6 months pregnant now and don't fancy donning my overalls and climbing ladders to paint. What would you do? I feel like after 9 years here and the time and money I've spent on the place (although my choice totally) I shouldn't really be penalised, but I expect I will lose my deposit?

OP posts:
ellyeth · 16/09/2021 19:07

It sounds like the changes you have made are actually an improvement on what was there before. However, as the property was meant to be left in the same state as before I suppose there might be a chance the landlord could demand money to restore it to how it was previously.

I don't know whether, in law, they could demand more money or withhold your deposit. Do you think the owner would be likely to issue proceedings to claim money for re-painting, etc?

I would have thought the stipulation re leaving it as it is referred more to the condition of the property - cleanliness, fixtures intact, etc. - rather than making no changes whatsoever, especially after 9 years. If your landlord is insisting you must paint everywhere cream I think it's petty and mean.

muddypawswars · 16/09/2021 19:17

I think it is totally unreasonable to expect that a troop of agents and prospective new tenants should be able to pass through the property in the post pandemic world. Isn't OP pregnant? Pregnant women are at greater risk from coronavirus.

Scottsy100 · 16/09/2021 20:59

I would imagine if you’ve made “improvements” then the landlord would be grateful, I’d hate to imagine what a property would look like with absolutely nothing done to it for 9 years, surely you’ve done them a favour and I wouldn’t worry too much but then that’s just my opinion

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/09/2021 21:42

Have I literally just read 110+ posts from an OP saying she’s not repainting colours walls back to magnolia (coupled with a bit of ‘it’s not fair)?

SmokyLittleBeefBath · 16/09/2021 22:41

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle

Have I literally just read 110+ posts from an OP saying she’s not repainting colours walls back to magnolia (coupled with a bit of ‘it’s not fair) Yes.

LeSquigh · 16/09/2021 23:21

YABU. I rent and it’s frustrating that I can’t put my mark on a house but when I look to move the houses that are “decorated” anything other than the standard white or magnolia don’t get a look in from me because they are usually dreadful. Your taste won’t be the taste of most and it will likely affect the rental value.

You are mad to have spent so much on a rental anyway!

IM0GEN · 17/09/2021 07:57

@LeSquigh

YABU. I rent and it’s frustrating that I can’t put my mark on a house but when I look to move the houses that are “decorated” anything other than the standard white or magnolia don’t get a look in from me because they are usually dreadful. Your taste won’t be the taste of most and it will likely affect the rental value.

You are mad to have spent so much on a rental anyway!

@LeSquigh - many landlords WILL let you put your mark on a house by painting the walls. They just want you to change it back to their Choice of neutral before you leave !

It amazes me that relatively young, able bodied adults who are not on the breadline are willing to live with a wall colour that they hate and complain about it every day for 10 years rather than spend £50 and a weekend painting it . And then the same same again 10 years later before they move out.

Many owner occupiers do exactly the same TBH. Change it to suit their own tastes then freshen it up before they put it on the market or make it more neutral to appeal to buyers.

Because in general, neutral is what sells - to tenants as well as owners.

In particular , many people have extremely strong views about what colours are suitable for children’s bedrooms and will not eg rent a house with two pink bedrooms if they have a son and a daughter. So landlords paint all bedrooms neutral.

That’s why the Op is very foolish to make a stand on the pink and green bedrooms. If she had changed them back to neutral, the landlord might have been happy with the blue hall and the other Egyptian Cotton rooms.

But if she’s willing to throw away £1000 for the sake of painting 2 kids bedrooms then that’s her choice. She’s obviously relatively well off and doesn't care about that kind of money.

JuneOsborne · 17/09/2021 08:16

I've been reading and lurking, but not yet posted.

In the years that I rented houses, I always did them up.

I remember one, where the LL was pretty decent, fixing things and doing the odd job. We always asked permission for things that we wanted to change but weren't broken as such. I recarpeted the whole downstairs, painted it, kept it spotlessly clean.

I remember the move out day. The LL came with a clipboard and said right, let's see how much we can knock off your deposit. He'd never behaved like this before.

He inspected every room. Left with a blank piece of paper and had to hand me the cheque for the full deposit. It clearly stung him. But, all he could say was how beautiful it was, better than when he bought it.

The next tenant had huge issues with damp and mould in the house. (We knew because we'd made good friends with the neighbours who told us about her complaints). We ran into the LL a couple of years later and he said he'd never had such good tenants and he was sorry about the deposit thing. I just chuckled and said no worries. I've never had a deposit kept back, because I've never left a place in a worse condition than I moved into.

And as a LL I think that has to be worth something, rules and regulations aside. It sounds like youre in a similar position, and I imagine all will be well, it's just this shitty bit in-between that's a killer.

Hang tight.

butterpuffed · 17/09/2021 08:37

He inspected every room. Left with a blank piece of paper and had to hand me the cheque for the full deposit. It clearly stung him

Why ? The deposit would have been in a tenancy deposit scheme, it's not as if he'd had the money and spent it !

OP, I've moved in and out of rental properties for years, they've always been freshly painted when I've moved to a new one . By the landlord, I hasten to add, as they always make a point of telling you !

JuneOsborne · 17/09/2021 08:56

It wasn't! It was well before the deposit scheme!

butterpuffed · 17/09/2021 09:02

Oh ! Glad you got it all back then !

JuneOsborne · 17/09/2021 09:12

Me too @butterpuffed, me too!

Pinkfluff76 · 17/09/2021 09:36

OP I have not read all the comments but you are definitely not a Cf. Don’t think that. The landlord should be grateful for what you’ve done and he should be repainting after you’ve left especially as it sounds like he hasn’t had to. Besides your paint sounds great. He’s being a CF! Good luck 🤞🏻

IncessantNameChanger · 17/09/2021 11:00

My tennants moved in before the deposit scheme. The deposit is still in their though. I dont think it's legal hold any deposits now? You can serve a section 21 otherwise

whynotwhatknot · 17/09/2021 18:17

Any update op what did the director say?

QuantumDog2 · 17/09/2021 22:49

@whynotwhatknot

Any update op what did the director say?
Hi. Unfortunately not, I missed her call because I was late getting in to my appointment with an obstetrician today. I emailed her to apologise and we've rescheduled for tomorrow now. Will update after I've spoken to her.
OP posts:
whynotwhatknot · 17/09/2021 23:26

No worries hope all is well

QuantumDog2 · 18/09/2021 13:47

I spoke to the director a couple of hours ago now. She was pretty nice about the whole thing. She said that she's going to come round if it's okay to have a look for herself. 🙈 So we've arranged that for the middle of next week.
I'm not completely sure what the purpose of the visit is, other than to look at my decorating herself. Seems a bit odd...but hopefully it'll go alright.

OP posts:
longtompot · 18/09/2021 14:20

It might be so she can go to the landlord and say it is perfectly rentable with your colour scheme and no need to repaint it.

Monestera · 18/09/2021 14:27

It might be so she can go to the landlord and say it is perfectly rentable with your colour scheme and no need to repaint it.

Yes, that seems the most obvious.

Theboywiththearabstrap · 18/09/2021 14:31

The thing is, it’s a contractual agreement that YOU entered into - you asked to paint and agreed to the contract of returning it to magnolia when you leave.

You are now choosing to break the contract because it suits you.

For a landlord to have properties with multiple colours throughout its a nightmare which is why they stated magnolia was to be used.

You have had the pleasure of the colours you chose while you lived there so are being really petty not to do as you agreed to.

The landlord could take all your deposit and then take you to a small claims court for the remainder of the money. I recently had a small 3 bed house painted top to bottom and it was £4,000.

I think you should adhere to what you agreed to without being a dick.

ManifestDestinee · 18/09/2021 14:52

The thing is, it’s a contractual agreement that YOU entered into - you asked to paint and agreed to the contract of returning it to magnolia when you leave

If you'd bothered to read the thread you might know that its not an enforceable clause, and it wasn't painted magnolia at the start, so she can't return it to something it never was.

Theboywiththearabstrap · 18/09/2021 16:24

@ManifestDestinee I have read the thread, the OP has repeatedly stated that she asked and was granted permission on the understanding that the house was returned to its original condition. She is now electing not to do this causing inconvenience and a potential void period while the LL has the house painted to the colour it should be. The OP is the one who is not meeting the terms of what she agreed to. The OP stated the house was magnolia when she moved in, the paint was not to her taste in finish or colour but she agreed to return it to its original condition and that is what she should do.

chesirecat99 · 18/09/2021 16:40

@ManifestDestinee

The thing is, it’s a contractual agreement that YOU entered into - you asked to paint and agreed to the contract of returning it to magnolia when you leave

If you'd bothered to read the thread you might know that its not an enforceable clause, and it wasn't painted magnolia at the start, so she can't return it to something it never was.

If you had read the thread and the TDS advice I posted, you would know that it is an enforceable clause, @ManifestDestinee.
Blossomtoes · 18/09/2021 17:00

For a landlord to have properties with multiple colours throughout its a nightmare which is why they stated magnolia was to be used

Why? It’s how most of us live in the houses we own.

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