I have Covid. Should I send my child to nursery?

[Wnikat]

Interested in what others would do. I am on day 7 of covid. My 3 year old is legally allowed to go to nursery under the new rules. She has had 2 negative PCR tests, the last one yesterday. Would you send her to nursery?
YABU: yes
YANBU: no

I’ve been quite anxious etc about Covid but I’m surprised about people’s reactions here. The rules say that kids can go to school/nursery if parents have Covid. My dd is currently at school with people whose families have Covid. Isn’t that the point? We need to get back to normality?

Why should I?
This about personal responsibility no more no less. You can hide behind guidelines all you like. I wonder if you've adhered so tightly to all other rules!?
Had anybody inside your home when you shouldn't? Entertained at Christmas? Worn masks at school drop off? Shopping? Trains etc? Or did you decide to "live with it" when this all became suc an inconvenience?

I’m not personally responsible for costing myself financially and career-wise to ensure you or anyone else doesn’t catch a virulently contagious virus that you’re going to catch anyway. And yes, I’ve had people in my home when I shouldn’t and spent Christmas with my family. I obviously couldn’t send my completely healthy child to nursery when the “bubble” burst and her room was closed, but I absolutely would have if I could and will continue to do so now the room will be open. Anyone who doesn’t like it is more than welcome to keep their kid at home and lose out financially and have no childcare.

No poster has addressed my comments up thread about reversing the situation. your child/ren will be cared for/taught by staff who ha e positive members at home. I teach, I will still be working if I have cases at home.

Does that make me immoral? Or is this ignored because having staff isolate due to cases would be inconvenient? Whereas ha I f someone’s else’s child isolate doesn’t affect your own family’s situation?

For the record, I still wish families with cases would isolate but that Government has decided that isn’t the cases. I can’t ‘be livid’ with the children in front of me, I am not ‘livid’ with their parents. I am ‘livid’ with our Government but more so be use of how they relate education but that’s a whole other thread.

I’m glad I haven’t had this dilemma so far tbh because I do think it’s tricky.

However, if the rules say you can, then I would. Businesses are being a lot less understanding about missed days or trying to WFH with small children in tow.

@Nillynally

I'm a teacher who is very ill at home right now awaiting the results of my pcr test because two Covid positive parents thought it acceptable to send their children into school. One of them has since tested positive. I'm 8 weeks pregnant.

I sympathise but would the parents have been fined if they hadn’t sent their kids into school?

That’s what’s happening where I am. If a child with a positive parent doesn’t go to school if they are not I’ll it’s an unauthorised absence. And too many of those abs it’s a fine.

It sucks. But in reality if I had COVID and was ill and my kids had tested negative I’d still be sending them to nursery if I was allowed to legally and also if nursery allowed it. I’d lose pay from work not working and also lose out on fees I’d paid to nursery. By sending her dc the op will be more able to take care of herself.

@motherrunner

No poster has addressed my comments up thread about reversing the situation. your child/ren will be cared for/taught by staff who ha e positive members at home. I teach, I will still be working if I have cases at home.

Does that make me immoral? Or is this ignored because having staff isolate due to cases would be inconvenient? Whereas ha I f someone’s else’s child isolate doesn’t affect your own family’s situation?

For what it’s worth I don’t think it makes anyone immoral. But probably right in that staff isolating would make it inconvenient for a lot of people.

Parents send kids to school if a sibling has a sick bug which can be just as contagious. And there’s not the uproar. Initially yes stay home everyone but we’re learning more about COVID now abs have to start dealing with it like any other virus. Doing this in my mind reduces the pandemic of fear that’s developed. And will help get back to a more normal way of living.

Where I am we currently have 500 cases. Mostly in schools. But we’re all carrying on.

@motherrunner

No poster has addressed my comments up thread about reversing the situation. your child/ren will be cared for/taught by staff who ha e positive members at home. I teach, I will still be working if I have cases at home.

Does that make me immoral? Or is this ignored because having staff isolate due to cases would be inconvenient? Whereas ha I f someone’s else’s child isolate doesn’t affect your own family’s situation?

@motherrunner Yes, people would HATE it if nurseries shut left, right and centre. But there’s no difference in the scenario is there? In fact people talk about adults having a bigger viral load etc! But your not immoral because it would inconvenience them if nurseries etc shut. Whereas OP is immoral because she inconveniences no one but herself if her child doesn’t go to nursery .

People seem blissfully unaware of all the covid positive adults merrily trotting to work, the supermarket and restaurants though.

In my job (which we got lumbered with) we’ve got access to covid positive cases and bank accounts so can see people using their bank cards to travel etc. That’s why it’s bloody spreading.

Absolutely do not send her. I can't believe anyone would even contemplate doing so.

You realise people are dying every day of this? It's unconscionable to take this risk, you have no way of know who will be infected and what might happen to them.

The poor nursery teachers. How must they feel to see the public take such a cavalier attitude to their health.

Whatever you do it will rip through the nursery like other nursery’s and schools. Because even if you choose not to send her in, for every person who doesn’t there will be someone who will. I’ve come to the conclusion it doesn’t matter what I as an individual do, we’re all going to get it.

I wouldn't. The rules change but the virus is still there.. it's like when they said we could see each other at Christmas, we didn't see anyone as we knew nothing had changed.

@DifferentHair

Absolutely do not send her. I can't believe anyone would even contemplate doing so.

You realise people are dying every day of this? It's unconscionable to take this risk, you have no way of know who will be infected and what might happen to them.

The poor nursery teachers. How must they feel to see the public take such a cavalier attitude to their health.

The cavalier attitude that is actually the law?

People get irrationally angry when someone sends their kid in with a cold!

The guidance to stop isolation isn’t for OUR benefit, it’s to keep businesses going

Government says one thing, surely common sense says another

"DoubleShotEspresso

CaptainMarvelous

@DoubleShotEspresso

It's the Local Authority that determines the fine, not the school. Ours have said that unauthorised absences would be fined. I doubt very much your assistance would make a difference. But it is interesting to see that you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is.

Why should I?
This about personal responsibility no more no less. You can hide behind guidelines all you like. I wonder if you've adhered so tightly to all other rules!?
Had anybody inside your home when you shouldn't? Entertained at Christmas? Worn masks at school drop off? Shopping? Trains etc? Or did you decide to "live with it" when this all became suc an inconvenience?
And yes I've become quite accustomed to challenging LA's (SEND education r lack of it rather) I'd confidently take them on with this one too."

Actually, I have followed all the rules. The only rule I have broken was in lockdown one when I counted my exercise separately to the DC so I could have a run and they could still have a walk.

This situation hasn't arisen for us because so far none of my children have been ill since the rule change. Previously our DC have quarantined when required and we have done tests etc when ill.

But this isn't about me. This is about you and others on here demanding that people put themselves into potential financial difficulty by not following the "rules" as they now stand.

It's a reoccurring theme on Mumsnet that posters who typically live naice middle class lives are oblivious to the financial hardships that many have faced as a result of Coronavirus. And now you are requesting that they continue to face those hardships despite the rule changes.

@DifferentHair

Absolutely do not send her. I can't believe anyone would even contemplate doing so.

You realise people are dying every day of this? It's unconscionable to take this risk, you have no way of know who will be infected and what might happen to them.

The poor nursery teachers. How must they feel to see the public take such a cavalier attitude to their health.

Give yourself peace. Nursery teachers are just as likely to get Covid in the pub and send our kids home with it as vice versa - as well they should be.

Well, just about to post on similar topic so popped in here. I guess you send them in as per government guidelines. Absolutely ridiculous but that's what the useless clown has said is to happen, so why not?
Letter from DD1 school (but in line with government policy, not the individual school) saying if a parent or parents have confirmed COVID, unwell or otherwise, the child should still attend. Not telling them to isolate and not going to inform other parents unless they have 5 confirmed cases or something at any one time and even then it's just bubbles or year groups to isolate.
Frankly it appears as though too many parents are - while vaccinated themselves - refusing to consider vaccinations for 12-15 and under. Best get all the kids to catch it and hope the figures add up nicely, few deaths on the front pages of the tabloids, kids in hospital, etc. That should get the pesky parents to back down and unnecessarily have their kids given what is still essentially an experimental jab with no longterm studies. Wouldn't expect any less from the tosser.
I'd just like to know why he is repeatedly isolating at chequers if little ones with sick parents aren't going to be allowed to. He will say because they are "much less likely to be unwell" - best get them all jabbed from 12 then?! What?! Hate it. They don't need to tell the truth at any point and we should not expect them to, look at the lies and u-turns thus far.
So yes, I think you are within your rights to send DC but is it morally right? I don't think so. But then Boris doesn't let a little nuisance like morality bother him so why are you expected to be the better person?

Covid is always going to be with us- we can end isolation now, or in ten years time- it's not going to make a difference. All it's going to do is perpetuate the misery of it all, having to stay at home, the ant and worry, the loss of education etc. People are dying of it yes, but not generally nursery children or teachers. People were dying of ordinary flu before, but nobody isolated, what's the difference?

Absolutely not. Kids can't and don't socially distance. Your daughter is in contact with you and could still show a positive case. If she starts showing symptoms, she's already exposed the nursery to it.

Your government's rules are frankly ludicrous, though not unexpected considering the utter buffoon in charge.

No one relishes the idea of working from home with a child but it happens. We deal with it.

For the sake of a few days I would keep her off.

@MiddleParking 'Give yourself peace' is the most apt phrase I've ever heard.

It amazes me how unwilling people are to return closer to normal.

We are currently self isolating waiting for the results of pcr tests. I suspect my eldest will be positive but if any or one of the rest of us is negative then we can, by government guidelines, go about our everyday lives. That includes school for my youngest.

My own works policy is I will have to work from home if there is a positive case at home but oh faces no pay for 3 days then ssp and we can't afford it if he is negative. Especially as this might happen multiple times.

We will follow government guidelines. Symptoms or positive lateral flow test - then pcr and isolate until results. If that's negative then the person with negative result will continue to go out and about work/school

@crayray It amazes me how unwilling people are to return closer to normal. it amazes me how easily people accept strangers deaths as collateral damage for “normality”. But I guess we are all different.

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]**@crayray* It amazes me how unwilling people are to return closer to normal.* it amazes me how easily people accept strangers deaths as collateral damage for “normality”. But I guess we are all different.[/quote]
No we’re not we literally all do that and always have. You included!

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]**@crayray* It amazes me how unwilling people are to return closer to normal.* it amazes me how easily people accept strangers deaths as collateral damage for “normality”. But I guess we are all different.[/quote]
I am responsible for people’s deaths by teaching whilst I have positive cases at home?

I am tired of the sanctimonious posts from people who can wfh telling the test of us that we either have to ‘get in with it’ or now ‘make the moral choices’.

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]**@crayray* It amazes me how unwilling people are to return closer to normal.* it amazes me how easily people accept strangers deaths as collateral damage for “normality”. But I guess we are all different.[/quote]
If you drive, every time you get in your car you run the risk of causing someone to die. But you drive anyway, because your assessment is that the risk of you having an accident that causes someone to die is low enough to warrant you being able to go about your everyday life.

The UK government has deemed it safe enough to stop requiring people to self isolate if someone in their household is positive, and they have no symptoms. On top of that, the OP's child has tested negative. On top of that, the risks of outbreaks in nursery are considered to be very low. On top of that, the vast majority of adults are now fully vaccinated, meaning the likelihood of someone dying from covid-19 is now much reduced.

So as the PP said, give yourself peace.

The UK government has deemed it safe enough to stop requiring people to self isolate if someone in their household is positive, and they have no symptoms.

But you see ^ this is the problem! The UK government have decided all this. As at Christmas, they didn’t consult or agree anything with COVID-19, Covid doesn’t know it’s Christmas or that it’s not supposed to infect people who’ve been vaccinated anyway, and infects them anyway.

Our daily case numbers are ridiculous, 1 in 10 will experience Long Covid, something we have absolutely no idea how to treat. Children get Long Covid

The fact that we don’t have to isolate if we can’t and there are no symptoms ARE a choice, but if I was OP, for the sake of 3 days I wouldn’t send them in to nursery. Not yet.