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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

For wanting to leave a WhatsApp group?

84 replies

WhatsAppDilemma · 09/09/2021 11:59

I’m prepared to be told I’m being unreasonable and petty but I really hope I’m not!

I am in a group of 4 friends. We’ve been friends for 15 years and used to be very close.

I was meant to get married last year but we postponed due to covid, and ended up having a micro wedding. One of the friends let me down quite a bit over both my weddings, and ended up pulling out 2 days before the micro wedding using covid as an excuse (despite regularly posting on her Instagram stories about other weekends away, visits to pubs, etc etc). She never made any attempt to make it right and that really hurt me so our friendship has pretty much ended. Don’t want to drip feed but happy to provide more details if it helps.

The other two were really disappointed with her behaviour too, but have recently started to talk properly. They didn’t fall out with her over it...she just stopped talking to them for a while for a reason that they didn’t know either. But because they’re all getting close again, the WhatsApp group with the four of us is being used again. I don’t engage at all, because I don’t really want to engage with her.

How petty and immature would I be to just leave the WhatsApp group we’ve had running for around 10 years? AIBU in doing so? I could just mute it I guess but I can’t help but sense the other two friends are trying to get it back to normal, and I have no interest in doing so. I know it leaves them in a tricky situation but I guess they always would be. And leaving the group would essentially be a massive FU, which I’m conscious makes me look immature!

OP posts:
Bizawit · 09/09/2021 13:49

@WomanStanleyWoman

Mute it, then invite your other two friends for drinks or dinner via another message. Use that thread to contact them instead. If they make a point of asking about the other group, just say that you muted it because of the situation with your ex-friend, but obviously you don’t want to lose touch with them.

A flounce is asking to be noticed, and creating more drama.

This is really good advice. Do this
YouDoYouBoo · 09/09/2021 13:53

It just looks as if you've gone off each other as friends. It happens. It's part of life. I'd leave the group but set up another one with the other two if you think that will not look weird.

I actually think leaving WhatsApp groups is almost always a good idea! It's almost as bad as Facebook for stress and intrusiveness.

YouDoYouBoo · 09/09/2021 13:54

OP in my experience weddings can bring old friendships to a head

Also agree with this. I've had it too. They can make or break friendships IME!

Bizawit · 09/09/2021 13:58

@Nearlyme

Tbh, that covers neither of you in glory.
Ok after reading your update I fully agree with this. I don’t think this warrants cutting an old friend out of your life. You both behaved somewhat childishly / thoughtlessly and hurt the other. Talk it through and move on.
Bobsyer · 09/09/2021 14:00

@Nearlyme

Tbh, that covers neither of you in glory.
What? Why? Confused

Why does it sound like ‘six of one half a dozen of the other’? @Jerseygirl12?

@WhatsAppDilemma just mute it and explain to the other two. It’s not worth the drama. She decided for whatever reason that she was a good enough friend to get annoyed when you didn’t invite her (though she told you she probably wouldn’t come Hmm) but not a good enough friend to be honest with you.

ghostfacers · 09/09/2021 14:14

What do your other two friends think to the situation - have you discussed it with them? (apologies if this has been answered upthread)

MeltedCheeseonTop · 09/09/2021 14:14

Did you post about her letting you down at the time? (sorry if you've already said, I'm skimming)

YouDoYouBoo · 09/09/2021 14:18

@MeltedCheeseonTop

Did you post about her letting you down at the time? (sorry if you've already said, I'm skimming)
Yes, I think I remember this story from an old thread! I can't remember what happened exactly though.
Seashell1234 · 09/09/2021 14:20

I don't know what your friend was actually thinking but it seems perfectly plausible from your account that she was just being Covid cautious. Lots of people socialised in small groups of people that they knew were being v careful, but not with other groups who were perhaps laser with the rules. The pregnancy/ TTC adds another layer of emotion.

I'd suggest that you stay in the group and see whether you feel like more contact with her in the future. It's easy to make bad decisions in stressful/ exciting times.

MeltedCheeseonTop · 09/09/2021 14:24

@YouDoYouBoo Me either!

timeisnotaline · 09/09/2021 14:29

I don’t understand why people think they both behaved badly. I can’t see what the op did wrong. Inviting her after all was quite generous and friends behaviour was really exceptionally shitty.

TheWeatherWitch · 09/09/2021 14:30

It’s a WhatsApp group, not an airport. You do not need to announce your departure.

Either leave or stay. Nobody else can tell you what’s the right decision for you.

CookPassBabtridge · 09/09/2021 14:34

I don't get what OP has done wrong either?

Notaroadrunner · 09/09/2021 14:36

She said she'd come to your first wedding. You then didn't invite her to your rearranged wedding. I can see why she was pissed off if the other 2 friends were invited to the rearranged wedding. Sending a message a couple of days before your wedding to say she couldn't come was unfair on you. TBH I'd mute the group and just carry on chatting to the other 2 friends in your separate group. She's no longer your friend and at this stage I doubt there's any coming back from it. You both have your own versions of what happened and how you both felt. I can't see that you will see her point of view and vice versa.

purplecorkheart · 09/09/2021 14:40

I don't think that you are being entirely fair to your friend. She said that she did not want to attend the initial wedding but she was pressurised into changing her mind. I kind of see why she hoped that actual wedding would be cancelled by the gov.

Covid is a valid excuse. The nights out or away are probably to places that she knows that are adhering to restrictions .

You invited her to a wedding that moved across the country without her spouse with a group of people who she did not know or know how likely they had been adhering to COVID rules. The six month silence worries me and her mental health at the time.

To be honest I am more concerned that none of her so called friends were not concerned about the six months silence.

timeisnotaline · 09/09/2021 14:41

@Notaroadrunner

She said she'd come to your first wedding. You then didn't invite her to your rearranged wedding. I can see why she was pissed off if the other 2 friends were invited to the rearranged wedding. Sending a message a couple of days before your wedding to say she couldn't come was unfair on you. TBH I'd mute the group and just carry on chatting to the other 2 friends in your separate group. She's no longer your friend and at this stage I doubt there's any coming back from it. You both have your own versions of what happened and how you both felt. I can't see that you will see her point of view and vice versa.
They didn’t invite her after telling her the plan and she immediately said she couldn’t come!! Becasue of covid but then she did lots of other socialising. I wouldn’t have invited her either with a 20 person limit.
bettytaghetti · 09/09/2021 14:44

@TheWeatherWitch

It’s a WhatsApp group, not an airport. You do not need to announce your departure.

Either leave or stay. Nobody else can tell you what’s the right decision for you.

That would be fine except WhatsApp actually posts a message to the conversation stating that you have left the group. Quite noticeable in a small group of 4. I would love it if there was a quiet way of just leaving a group that you have been randomly added to without it looking like you're kicking up a fuss!

Another one here who can't see what the Op has done wrong, to those saying 6 of one half dozen of the other Confused. Sorry your friend has treated you this way; she sounds quite self-absorbed.

TopTabby · 09/09/2021 14:51

I agree with a pp: weddings cause any problems in friendships to come to a head.
What'sApp wasn't around when I got married but my best friend & I fell out over a matter that seemed important then but was actually fairly trivial.
We didn't speak for a few years but got back in touch & I'm so glad. Sometimes a bit of time is all that's needed for the friendship to come back stronger.
Mute & archive, public gestures cause more problems that they're worth.

Anordinarymum · 09/09/2021 14:52

I think Covid has been used as an excuse for an awful lot of things of late. Too easy and lazy. She sounds like a twat.

Drinkingallthewine · 09/09/2021 15:06

When I was TTC and had days where I couldn't face gatherings or pregnant women or just...people, so I often came out with rather lame excuses.

The truth is that I was struggling. I was irrationally envious of those who got knocked up at the drop of a hat, when I was having yet another period that day and smiling weakly at the teasing about 'getting a move on having babies"

So she could be struggling. She could have a raft of appointments and meds that are making her off. If she's a long time friend I'd have a chat with her first before binning the friendship.

Infertility nearly destroyed my mental health.

Quiglet · 09/09/2021 15:06

A different view point about the mute and archive idea: people do notice! An ex friend in our group of 4 did this but didn’t realise that the conversation was bubbling along, she was being asked questions, being looped in. Now no one speaks to her and she’s tried to reach out to all 3 of us as she’s had a downturn in her circumstances and could do with some extra support.

If you want out, do it. If you want in, mend fences. Don’t do half way measures because people remember and might not forgive you.

Hopdathelf · 09/09/2021 15:13

You did not spent £700 on “her” to attend the hen do. You spent £700 on a holiday that you benefited from that happened to be a hen do for her. If you resented spending it you shouldn’t have done it at the time rather than try to hold it over her now.

Ozanj · 09/09/2021 15:20

@WhatsAppDilemma

I already have another WhatsApp group with the other two and we’d been using that over the past year. They also have one with her (there’s various ones used for planning birthdays, holidays, etc) but I have no idea how often they use it.

I think @LolaButt has hit the nail on the head re my pettiness so that’s helpful! I know I need to have it out with her, but we sort of had it out last year, which I will get to, and she just gets extra extra defensive and you don’t get anywhere.

What happened was:

A few months before my original wedding, she told me she can’t come because it’s her mum’s birthday the following day. I was disappointed but didn’t fall out or persuade, just told her I really hope she can make it. The other two persuaded her to make it work by coming to both, there’s no reason why she couldn’t do both in one weekend considering they were on different days and only an hour to 1.5 hours apart from each other. When she said she can make it, I genuinely was over the moon and there was no bad blood.

We cancelled due to covid and after much oohing and ahhing were thinking of a small wedding on the other side of the country (where DH is from, his parents are elderly and we didn’t want them to travel) in a few months time. This was when weddings were limited to, I think, 20 people including suppliers. I told my friends that’s what we were thinking of doing and she messaged me the next day to tell me her and her husband won’t be able to come due to covid (even though he wouldn’t have been invited due to numbers).

Within days and over the next few weeks, her Instagram stories are filled with weekends away with other friends, and going to pubs and restaurants.

We decided to go ahead and I didn’t invite her. I didn’t update her either but to be fair she never once asked me about the wedding after she told me she can’t make it.

When she heard that we were getting married, she got really upset she wasn’t invited. I had a pre wedding party in my back garden which she was invited to. She then “had it out” with me that she wasn’t invited to the wedding. When I told her how much it hurt that she immediately bailed on me but happily went out and about with others, she got really defensive. In the end I told her if she can make it to the wedding, there is definitely a place for her, and I hope she can come to the pre wedding party. I also told her the numbers are limited to 20, including us and suppliers, so I need to know for sure. A few days later she came to the party but spent the entire time standing metres back at the edge of the garden (honestly, no judgment, she was allegedly worried about covid, despite regularly socialising with others) and then confirmed she could make the wedding.

Over the next few weeks I kept messaging her to see if she’s still ok to come. Each time, she said yes.

Two days before my wedding, she text to say she can’t make it because she’s worried about covid. I later found out from my other friends she had already decided this the week before but was hoping the government would cancel my wedding so she didn’t need to break the news. This meant she wasted a precious space at a wedding where we only had 13 guests, a place that could have been taken by extended family.

I got a short text on my wedding day to say congrats, and I never heard from her again, until 6 months later when she sent me a small gift. I should add that she got married the previous year and I spent over £1k on her - £700 on hen, £250 on gift and £100 plus on accommodation, dinners, etc. It honestly isn’t about the money but a £15 gift felt a bit like why bother.

I should add that what she didn’t know was that the reason we went ahead with the mini wedding was because I was pregnant. We announced it at the wedding and other than that, we kept the news quiet because DH and I were really worried it could go wrong. We barely told anyone I was pregnant so not telling her wasn’t a case of her being deliberately excluded. She only found out when I messaged to say thank you for the gift, which happened to arrive a few days before DS was born, so from her perspective, I was pregnant and didn’t tell her. I also know she’s having troubles getting pregnant.

Gosh, this sounds so immature but the whole thing really hurt me. Not the not coming to the wedding, but kicking up a fuss after saying she’s not coming, me pandering to her, her pulling out anyway and then get making no effort whatsoever to make it right.

Behaviour suggests she might have been pregnant and miscarried, OP.

Did you ever ask her why she was behaving like this?

Rainbowsew · 09/09/2021 15:33

Sounds like this friendship has run its course sadly. She was unreasonable I think, although anxiety may have been an issue. Unfortunately I think now you're having a child and she has fertility issues that I doubt you will reconcile unless she makes the first move.

Mute it for now, if no more contact made re-evaluate leaving in 6months/a year.

Notaroadrunner · 09/09/2021 15:48

They didn’t invite her after telling her the plan and she immediately said she couldn’t come!! Becasue of covid but then she did lots of other socialising. I wouldn’t have invited her either with a 20 person limit.

No, when she was told about their plans to organise the 2nd wedding, she said her husband wouldn't be able to go.