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Brother's ex

89 replies

Shahira78 · 09/09/2021 10:13

What would you do?
Back story:
Brother has 2 children with his ex (let’s call her A). They are 17 and 18 years old. They had them very young and split up when the youngest was 3. She went on to have 4 more children with another man whom she married. That relationship also failed and last year she met and married another man 21 years her senior and has just had another baby with him. He is very wealthy. She is 37.
I’m not sure what to do. My brother has told me over the years what an incapable mother she is but I didn’t really know the extent of it. I thought he was always exaggerating.

Yesterday, I went to collect my nephew (the 18 year old) so he can to the school pick up with me (her daughter is in reception with my son). As the builders were in, the doors were open and I popped my head in the door and called his name. He was asleep on the sofa and jumped up. He had no idea what time it was (midday) and I told him he needs to collect his little sister from school. It was obvious he was stoned. The house was a complete mess. The 7 year old was feeding himself out of a tin of spaghetti hoops. There was food all over the floor. The bins were overflowing and there was rubbish everywhere. The sink was full to the brim of dirty crockery. There was even tuna in the sink?! The dining table was filthy. I mean what do you expect when there are kids roaming around a house on their own. He even asked me to make him a sandwich, which I did because I felt so bad for him. They all go to kids club after school every day until 6pm because she refuses to look after them after school. Her children eat sugar all day and she put money in her 18 year olds account to order Mcdonalds for the kids. The 4 year was drinking coke. I could go on and on about what I saw and I felt awful walking away.
Where is A? She is away with her new man living it up in a posh hotel Bristol for 2 nights. She goes away quite often to very expensive places and gets her 2 eldest to look after the 4 youngest. She has recently given up her council house and has moved into a large house. I feel like her kids are no longer important to her. My sister and I think this is totally unfair as she is putting so much pressure on them to look after her kids! They can’t even look after themselves properly. They are also doing so poorly at college because of this.
I’m concerned for all 6 kids. What should I do? Should I stay out of it or talk to her?

OP posts:
SleepingStandingUp · 09/09/2021 13:32

I don't understand why you haven't called SS. there's a houseful of kids being cared for by a lad off his head on drugs and you just walked away and did nothing

LittleOwl153 · 09/09/2021 13:48

The obvious one would be to talk to your kids teacher - given one of the kids is in the same class.

You are right though that child protection is everyone's business and those kids should not be left in that state. SS will unlikely do much more the older 2 - so your brother or parents are their best option. But the younger ones need help.

Shahira78 · 09/09/2021 14:10

Oh God. I have just bumped into her on the school run.

She asked if I was ok because she said I didn't seem like I was. I hesitated and trying to think of what to say. I find her very intimidating. She really reminds me of Katie Price. She said that it's rude to go into other peoples houses and I said the only reason I did was to wake nephew up or her little one would not have been picked up. I think she was clearly very embarrassed that I saw what I saw. I just said I don't think the kids are in a position to look after the younger ones. I didnt want an argument so said it really calmly. She basically said to stay out of it and it's none of your business. That's it really. I couldn't get away from her fast enough.

Cant believe I have to face her for another 3 years.

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LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 14:22

@Shahira78

Just for the record, I'm not on anyone's side. I totally agree that my brother is just as responsible here!! I came here for advice on what to do because I cannot help thinking about those kids.

I can either keen my mouth shut or not.

I'm going to differ here tbh, I don't see how your brother is just as responsible when his children are 17 and 18?

From what you've said, he shared custody when they were younger and now at their ages they do as they please and have chosen not to live with him? I don't really see why his ex's younger kids are his problem at all. The only thing that is his problem is his 18yo being irresponsible when he was being relied upon to pick his sibling up from school for a couple of days. He needs a talking to, but that's it surely?

Also, I think it's important that you let the mum know what had happened while she was away as you can't know that the state of her house was how it normally is when she and her husband are around. She has left an 18yo in charge - not ideal but also equally not the end of the world for a few nights. Presumably he's the one who let the 7yo stay off school.

Obviously he's not responsible enough to be left in charge like this, but equally don't think you can hugely read into it at this point.

Shahira78 · 09/09/2021 14:26

@Shahira78

Oh God. I have just bumped into her on the school run.

She asked if I was ok because she said I didn't seem like I was. I hesitated and trying to think of what to say. I find her very intimidating. She really reminds me of Katie Price. She said that it's rude to go into other peoples houses and I said the only reason I did was to wake nephew up or her little one would not have been picked up. I think she was clearly very embarrassed that I saw what I saw. I just said I don't think the kids are in a position to look after the younger ones. I didnt want an argument so said it really calmly. She basically said to stay out of it and it's none of your business. That's it really. I couldn't get away from her fast enough.

Cant believe I have to face her for another 3 years.

I forgot to mention that I also told her about the state of the house and that her 7 year old was eating out of a tin
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LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 14:26

@Shahira78

Oh God. I have just bumped into her on the school run.

She asked if I was ok because she said I didn't seem like I was. I hesitated and trying to think of what to say. I find her very intimidating. She really reminds me of Katie Price. She said that it's rude to go into other peoples houses and I said the only reason I did was to wake nephew up or her little one would not have been picked up. I think she was clearly very embarrassed that I saw what I saw. I just said I don't think the kids are in a position to look after the younger ones. I didnt want an argument so said it really calmly. She basically said to stay out of it and it's none of your business. That's it really. I couldn't get away from her fast enough.

Cant believe I have to face her for another 3 years.

I honestly wouldn't worry, nothing has really happened?? I don't see why it's awkward for you tbh.

Hopefully she's learnt not to leave her son in charge again, he's clearly not mature enough to look after his much younger siblings. You haven't done anything wrong?

Shahira78 · 09/09/2021 14:27

'She has left an 18yo in charge - not ideal but also equally not the end of the world for a few nights.'

Unfortunately it has been happening every couple of months or so

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LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 14:28

@Shahira78

'She has left an 18yo in charge - not ideal but also equally not the end of the world for a few nights.'

Unfortunately it has been happening every couple of months or so

Hm, not great...what about the 17yo? If you're concerned, could you speak to them and ask if it's always like this when 18yo is left in charge? Might be a one-off.
Bizawit · 09/09/2021 14:29

@Shahira78

His children do not want to live in London because they do not have friends there. My parents live near A so he is thinking they should move in with my parents.
So he moves to be near his kids. Simples.
Palavah · 09/09/2021 14:33

@Chloemol

Your brother sorts his kids out and reports the rest to social services
This with bells on. From your updates it sounds as though your brother lives in london and his ex (and so his kids) live '15 mins from London'. That's easy peasy.
LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 14:33

So he moves to be near his kids. Simples.

He lives in London and they live 15 mins outside London, plus they are 17 and 18. Surely they are at the age where it's up to them where they live and he doesn't need to move to be near them?

At their ages they are surely free to go to him whenever they like and there is no guarantee they'd live with him even if he moved to where their mum lives.

RedMarauder · 09/09/2021 15:17

She basically said to stay out of it and it's none of your business.

That's because an 18 year old is legally an adult.

Remove the 18 year old from the picture - and the 17 year old - by convincing your brother to pick up his kids when she dumps the younger ones on them and goes away for a weekend then she has problems.

SecretRedhead · 09/09/2021 20:46

I didnt realise we were playing Bad Parent Bingo today. We've marked all our boxes, someone call it.

EmmalineC · 10/09/2021 18:11

What's the fact she looks like Katie Price got anything to do with this situation?

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