To think schools just won’t be able to stay open in the medium term

[Schoolgrand]

In the medium term we are having thousands of people mixing from different households at a time of high community transmission and now we are hearing reports of an October lockdown. Aibu to think schools in their current form with no mitigation’s just can’t stay open in the medium term.

[quote Peteycat]@Herecomesthsun

"Kids in school in masks would be better than kids at home trying to work on line.

That looks like the sort of choice we have"

Nope. Not the choice we have, masks have been ditched in schools by the government. There's no choice, they have gone.[/quote]
Gone, for now.

We Still Have The Masks At Home.

Or in my DC's case on his face in school as he's immunocompromised and the vaccines weren't being given till the end of August

As many children show no symptoms, or very mild symptoms that are no worse than a cold.

There’s a fair chance they won’t isolate in that case if not picked up. In primary no tests, in secondary let’s see how many do it regularly, and how accurate LFT are.

why can’t schools arrange cover teaching through agencies etc?

Because supply teachers, left high and dry over the course of the pandemic, have found other jobs, or, retired like me, won’t be going near a school under the current conditions.

That's exactly what they did in Scotland, masks are still required in class and shops etc. Doesn't seem to have made any difference at all.

But you can’t tell whether they made a difference or not, as there’s no way of saying what rates would be like without them. Happily a control experiment is under way in England which might allow some comparison (not perfect though).

@herecomesthsun. Scottish secondary age school kids have been in masks since the start of term and rates are rising massively. Masks as worn by children will not do much if anything to reduce spread of the Delta variant

@Peteycat

Posted too soon, meant to say *@Exceptional* Assurance, i agree. Totally irrelevant.

And gross really, to be using Syrian refugee children to strawman with.

Ironically, my own DH was a kid in West Belfast during the Troubles and my grandad's primary schooling coincided with WW2. They're both fully capable of understanding how children as a cohort have suffered in the last 18 months. My grandad felt particularly strongly about the disgusting state of affairs in the first lockdown when playgrounds were closed. Even during the war him and his mates could play out.

@Peteycat

The world's largest study on long covid is fairly good evidence, if we are discussing long covid in children.

Your post is quite funny as it is so bizarre.

Why is this funny? I don't find millions of childrens education being disrupted funny. How odd of you. I'm purely stating that I do not know of any child that has suffered with long covid. Yet you scream about it non stop.

I don't do any screaming.

I posted a link about long covid, because you asked for one.

Your post was notable as the epithets you used about my comments were more applicable to your own writing style

but you weren't actually discussing covid or education in that post (just attacking me)

[quote Snookie00]@herecomesthsun. Scottish secondary age school kids have been in masks since the start of term and rates are rising massively. Masks as worn by children will not do much if anything to reduce spread of the Delta variant[/quote]
masks won't stop spread completely

but even a 20-25% reduction would be worth having

We will just all have to get on with it. How long are the schools going to close for again and again until CV is eradicated? That will be never, so there is no alternative. I speak as someone with a close relative immunosupressed but even they agree there is not much we can do anymore. If there was another lockdown I’d be surprised if many complied, which would defeat the object.

@Peteycat

Mitigations are not necessary. Normality is necessary.

If mitigations were necessary to keep kids in school - ie. to avoid lockdown - would you be okay with that?

Can’t stay locked down forever. This virus will run its course and there’s nothing we can do to stop it.

The furlough scheme ends on 20th Sept. I don't think they intend any more closures.

30th

Ironically, my own DH was a kid in West Belfast during the Troubles and my grandad's primary schooling coincided with WW2. They're both fully capable of understanding how children as a cohort have suffered in the last 18 months. My grandad felt particularly strongly about the disgusting state of affairs in the first lockdown when playgrounds were closed. Even during the war him and his mates could play out

My grandma lived through the Second World War as a child, she was 6 when it started. She then had a career working with young children for 50 years. She is of the opinion that lockdown is far worse for children’s development than the war years were. Obviously that’s just an anecdote, but she feels really strongly about it.

Can’t stay locked down forever. This virus will run its course and there’s nothing we can do to stop it.

Will schools will be able to stay open as normal while it is running its course though?

9:40AlixandraTheGreat

Peteycat

Mitigations are not necessary. Normality is necessary.

If mitigations were necessary to keep kids in school - ie. to avoid lockdown - would you be okay with that?

No. Not anymore. The kids have done their bit and we'll done to them. Enough is enough. Thankfully, this argument is over now because schools don't have mitigations in place.

@Peteycat

9:40AlixandraTheGreat

Peteycat

Mitigations are not necessary. Normality is necessary.

If mitigations were necessary to keep kids in school - ie. to avoid lockdown - would you be okay with that?

No. Not anymore. The kids have done their bit and we'll done to them. Enough is enough. Thankfully, this argument is over now because schools don't have mitigations in place.

manifestly the argument isn't over

@FfrothiCoffi

Ironically, my own DH was a kid in West Belfast during the Troubles and my grandad's primary schooling coincided with WW2. They're both fully capable of understanding how children as a cohort have suffered in the last 18 months. My grandad felt particularly strongly about the disgusting state of affairs in the first lockdown when playgrounds were closed. Even during the war him and his mates could play out

My grandma lived through the Second World War as a child, she was 6 when it started. She then had a career working with young children for 50 years. She is of the opinion that lockdown is far worse for children’s development than the war years were. Obviously that’s just an anecdote, but she feels really strongly about it.

The main thing is, there are plenty of people who were children then who are still around. So if we consider the experience of kids in WW2 to be relevant to this discussion, that means amplifying their views. Your gran has every right to speak based on her personal and professional experiences.

@borntobequiet

That's exactly what they did in Scotland, masks are still required in class and shops etc. Doesn't seem to have made any difference at all.

But you can’t tell whether they made a difference or not, as there’s no way of saying what rates would be like without them. Happily a control experiment is under way in England which might allow some comparison (not perfect though).

Yes I'm comparing the situation to England, rates in Scotland are soaring although could be to do with the never ending testing!

manifestly the argument isn't over smile

Well no, because posters like you keep bringing masks up over and over again.

@DeepaBeesKit

any cold now will have to be isolating at home until a PCR test result

No, it wont. You only have to get s PCR test for Covid symptoms

• a new continuous cough, defined by the NHS as "coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours "
• a temperature
• loss of smell

Lots of children get a cold involving just a blocked/runny nose. They may cough an odd time to clear their throat of mucous from post nasal drip, especially first thing.

Those are not Covid symptoms, and a child with cold symptoms doesnt need to be tested and can go to school.

Unfortunately some schools appear to be insisting on PCRs for kids with close contact to a +ve case even with no symptoms (a friend is in this position at the moment).

I read the other day that each PCR test costs the NHS a minimum of £20 so I think financially it's fucked no matter how much money the government pours into it. Personally I think jabs for 12+s would help but that seems to be a controversial issue on here.

@Peteycat

manifestly the argument isn't over smile

Well no, because posters like you keep bringing masks up over and over again.

.. and most people are still wearing them in indoor crowded places

... and some children are still going to school in them (my son's notthe only one in his class in a FFP2)

... and there's still a good rationale for keeping down cases to protect education

Personally I think jabs for 12+s would help but that seems to be a controversial issue on here.

they would help

they could be a choice

there should be a decision in the next week or so apparently

@2020in2020

If the parents who don’t work and are merrily testing their primary school aged children every other day and giggling about LFT’s filling up their recycling don’t stop testing their children who show no signs of illness, ours won’t even make it to October half term. I am sick to death of it. I’ll join any protest if they attempt to close schools. DD7 told me about her lesson today - it was something I sat and learned with her last year in lockdown so she’s not even learning anything new. I’m fucking sick of the shitshow my children’s education has become, sacrificed at the altar of covid.

So you don't even want them to test? You want them to go undetected positive and put teachers and other students at risk? WTF?