To think schools just won’t be able to stay open in the medium term

[Schoolgrand]

In the medium term we are having thousands of people mixing from different households at a time of high community transmission and now we are hearing reports of an October lockdown. Aibu to think schools in their current form with no mitigation’s just can’t stay open in the medium term.

If her parent has tested positive she can have a PCR test. So that shouldn’t be an issue when it comes to not having the ‘right’ symptoms.

@CoffeeWithCheese, your post is brilliant you highlighted all the things I can't write down fast enough. Honestly it's so upsetting that people actually think that we should be closing schools again. They must have tunnel vision, they don't seem to think about long term effects of this. I actually despair.

"The UK has fewer in-school mitigations than almost all European countries, and far higher cases. We all know more UK children will catch Covid. Therefore more UK children will either miss school due to having Covid or suffer long Covid"

How many kids do you actually know with long covid? Seriously, I would like you to elaborate on this with facts and sources. Your just scaremongering yet again, no one wants to hear your doom.

[quote AlixandraTheGreat]@PurpleOkapi

We're meant to believe this CV child's risk has nothing whatsoever to do with his own mother's insistence that he absolutely must be in in-person education despite the known dangers to him. Nope, when the obvious happens, it will be 100% everyone else's fault. All of those selfish people who didn't want to homeschool or arrange other childcare because it was "inconvenient." Never mind that doing those things herself would have protected her CV child much more effectively.

So only perfectly healthy children are entitled to face-to-face education? Isn't this discrimination? I'm certain, if the roles were reversed, many on here would claim just that. CV and CEV children deserve the same education, advantages and privileges as their healthy counterparts. End of story.[/quote]
They can have the same education but there is a risk to that and a parent has to weigh up that risk. In the same way they would have to weigh up a tonne of other risks about what is safe for that child. If in a school of 1000 children are we really saying all of those should miss school for 2 months in a lockdown to protect that one child? Surely we should be looking at how can we support and educate that child without stopping 999 other kids getting an education and 999 other families not being able to work.

Plus also this: www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/08/parental-burnout-how-juggling-kids-and-work-in-a-global-pandemic-brought-us-to-the-brink?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

@Peteycat

"The UK has fewer in-school mitigations than almost all European countries, and far higher cases. We all know more UK children will catch Covid. Therefore more UK children will either miss school due to having Covid or suffer long Covid"

How many kids do you actually know with long covid? Seriously, I would like you to elaborate on this with facts and sources. Your just scaremongering yet again, no one wants to hear your doom.

That's very funny as you never substantiate your anti-mitigation nonsense with any facts or sources.

www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/first-findings-worlds-largest-study-long-covid-children

Up to one in seven (14%) children and young people who caught SARS-CoV-2 may have symptoms linked to the virus 15 weeks later, suggest preliminary findings from the world’s largest study on long Covid in children, led by UCL and Public Health England researchers.

"08:30AlixandraTheGreat

@PurpleOkapi

We're meant to believe this CV child's risk has nothing whatsoever to do with his own mother's insistence that he absolutely must be in in-person education despite the known dangers to him. Nope, when the obvious happens, it will be 100% everyone else's fault. All of those selfish people who didn't want to homeschool or arrange other childcare because it was "inconvenient." Never mind that doing those things herself would have protected her CV child much more effectively.

So only perfectly healthy children are entitled to face-to-face education? Isn't this discrimination? I'm certain, if the roles were reversed, many on here would claim just that. CV and CEV children deserve the same education, advantages and privileges as their healthy counterparts. End of story"

Yes they do, but that cannot come at the price of millions of childrens education. The government have stated on gov. Uk that the risk of covid in children is minimal. That the education they receive should not be disrupted, I think their words were mitigations should not be taken lightly. In other words, only do it if its absolutely necessary and for a short period only.

Up to one in seven (14%) children and young people who caught SARS-CoV-2 may have symptoms linked to the virus 15 weeks later, suggest preliminary findings from the world’s largest study on long Covid in children, led by UCL and Public Health England researchers.

Very ambiguous words. They have said may have. So that reference is not acceptable.

They should have left everyone with masks including schools and kept smaller bubbles so less children are sent home but again that is too simple and now they will have problems reintroducing these measures.

"led by UCL and Public Health England researcher"

So then if if it's that bad, why have the government opened schools? Obviously because it's not. Do you think they don't read this information too?? Of course they do, and then they decide that it's not necessary to close education again. Is that not enough for you?

"08:42Bettyboopawoop

They should have left everyone with masks including schools and kept smaller bubbles so less children are sent home but again that is too simple and now they will have problems reintroducing these measures"

Utter rubbish. They won't be reintroducing these measures at all. Who told you that?

@Peteycat

Up to one in seven (14%) children and young people who caught SARS-CoV-2 may have symptoms linked to the virus 15 weeks later, suggest preliminary findings from the world’s largest study on long Covid in children, led by UCL and Public Health England researchers.

Very ambiguous words. They have said may have. So that reference is not acceptable.

Fortunately no one else cares whether you personally think it is acceptable or not.

So then if if it's that bad, why have the government opened schools? Obviously because it's not.

🤣🤣

Yeah - they've only given up a "tiny bit" of their childhood for the greater good - how much of YOUR childhood did YOU give up for the greater good or does this only work when it's making YOU feel safe? Feels like that to me.
My mother's childhood was spent during and immediately after WW2. My own was spent during the troubles in NI. These brought their own limitations and restrictions on our lives. I work at times with children who are refugees from Syria etc. The children of the U.K. have suffered due to Covid but this is far from being the first time in history.

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@Bettyboopawoop

They should have left everyone with masks including schools and kept smaller bubbles so less children are sent home but again that is too simple and now they will have problems reintroducing these measures.

Actually, I think it's very likely masks will come back, they are such a simple measure to put in place, especially if everyone has a mask.

If only one or 2 people aren't able to wear them in a crowd, I'm sure we can cope with that & make allowances.

Smaller bubbles would be a challenge as schools are limited with space and personnel, unfortunately.

Those posting outrage about the idea of a school closure being an inconvenience have missed the point of PurpleOkapi’s despicable post.

It wasn’t about closing schools to protect vulnerable kids (that never happened). It was saying that any vulnerable child who was sent to school by their mother (no fathers here so also sexist) should not expect any attempts to keep them safe and that if that child were to die then that would be entirely on the feckless mother who should have homeschooled them. Because, of course, it is also only fit and healthy children who need to go to school for their mental health, well-being and education, CEV children should be happy to stay at home in a way that is totally unacceptable for everyone else’s children. CEV children being out of school is preferable to taking any measures to lessen their risk.

Herecomesthesun

Fortunately no one else cares whether you personally think it is acceptable or not.

Fortunately, no one cares what YOU think, thank goodness because the schools are open as usual.

@Peteycat

Herecomesthesun

Fortunately no one else cares whether you personally think it is acceptable or not.

Fortunately, no one cares what YOU think, thank goodness because the schools are open as usual.

I really want schools to be open.

So much so that I really want some mitigations as well, to protect that.

@Herecomesthsun, you see you always ask me on threads why I don't 'back up' my opinion with links etc. The reason being is because I wouldn't want to embarrass myself like you do with the ambiguous drivel you hunt for on the Internet. Which as I have said already, is usually hypothetical and guess work. I use the real world for my measure of my opinions.

So much so that I really want some mitigations as well, to protect that.

Good for you. You can have them. Just stop asking everyone else to do it because as you will see on this thread alone, they don't want to anymore.

[quote Peteycat]@Herecomesthsun, you see you always ask me on threads why I don't 'back up' my opinion with links etc. The reason being is because I wouldn't want to embarrass myself like you do with the ambiguous drivel you hunt for on the Internet. Which as I have said already, is usually hypothetical and guess work. I use the real world for my measure of my opinions.[/quote]
The world's largest study on long covid is fairly good evidence, if we are discussing long covid in children.

Your post is quite funny as it is so bizarre.

@Peteycat

So much so that I really want some mitigations as well, to protect that.

Good for you. You can have them. Just stop asking everyone else to do it because as you will see on this thread alone, they don't want to anymore.

I disagree. I think the vast majority of parents / carers want some mitigations, such as isolating if your close family members test positive.

Good to see Petey showing their true colours. They insist that they care about the children, but it is clear now that they only care about the healthy ones.

I think the vast majority of parents / carers want some mitigations, such as isolating if your close family members test positive.

How do you know?