AIBU to ask how much support Pro-Life believers provide for actual children in need? Texas just banned abortion in the US.

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AIBU to ask what Pro Life 'supporters' do to actually help living children in need? Sparked by Rachel Maddow Show Podcast on MSNBC - which gives a brilliant coverage on what's going on.

PL seems to want to stop a woman's right to choose, even in instances of rape or incest. That's in Texas, US, but as we know, many of the 'trends' that start in the US migrate over here. And as we know, there are lots of Pro-Life (read anti abortion, anti women) believers over here.

So, my AIBU is to ask - what do these PL do to actually support actual living children in need in this country or the world? How much do they give to UNICEF/Save the Children etc charities? How much do they donate time, money and resources to actual children living in poverty, bad housing, experiencing harm or bad schooling to ensure that these actual living children get the best life possible?

Do these PL, who cite religious grounds, actually enable women to obtain proper contraception when they need it? And speaking about religion, how many religious PL turn a blind eye to religious organisations history of child abuse?

I don't understand anyone, especially men, who does not accept a woman's right to chose what happens to her own body.

So, AIBU to ask Pro Life supporters to tell me in detail what they do - as actively as supporting their 'cause' - when it comes to helping living children in need?

@Hereslookingatyoukid

Apologies of this has already been covered - I did read through but might have missed it. Would women in Texas who travel out of state either for an abortion or to discuss their options also be at risk of prosecution? I'm thinking of the women from Ireland who would travel to London/other parts of England to have abortions when abortion was not available legally there.

This is a grey area, and very concerning. The law as it stands now is that anyone - anywhere - who 'aides and abets' any Texan woman/girl to have an abortion can be sued for $10,000 plus legal costs.

So, vigilante law has been enacted.

The scenario is that any taxi driver / family member / friend / medical professional who 'aides and abets' a Texan woman to have an abortion can be sued. So, does that mean anyone who helps the woman leave Texas for the abortion? The woman would have to leave somehow.

That's why there are loads of anonymous donations / donors coming forward to help these women - so there is no trace of them.

It's going to be a minefield to actually get an abortion after 6 weeks, and with the Supreme Court allowing this dystopian law to stand (5-4 voted against upholding the Injunction to stop this law being enacted) and because of the way it's written, there is no certainty of what rights Texan women now have.

Truly sad situation.

I'm assuming this means any woman (or girl) who finds out she is pregnant after 6 weeks, is unable to access abortion in another state and then has complications during her pregnancy requiring extra medical care will have to not only continue a pregnancy she doesn't want, birth a child she doesn't want but also pay for the medical bills during the pregnancy and labour she didn't want?

I hope that women who are forced to proceed with a pregnancy against their wishes sue the state for the cost of the medical care they have to have during pregnancy and birth.

@TableFlowerss Do you realize there are 50 states in the USA and there's millions of citizens who don't agree with this new TX law including many, many Texans? You are smearing a lot

Sorry I hit post too soon-of Americans who absolutely are more progressive than TX? I could use stereotypes to describe the UK and it would only showcase my ignorance like you do @TableFlowerss

I am heartened by Joe Biden’s response to this dreadful development in Texas. I hope he can sort this madness out, perhaps making abortion laws federal rather than up to individual states is the answer. I fear for women and girls in Texas right now who are in the heartbreaking situation where they find themselves pregnant, but don’t want to be.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58424249

decrease family planning & banned abortions & as for "Christian Families adopting" presumably white Christians predominately & the number of women affected are non white or in some cases women whose babies could be disabled & who will adopt them, especially with the cost of medical care in the USA? These women are as pp said being punished & if they keep these babies how will they afford them & they are likely to be doomed to poverty poor education etc
Every child should be wanted -not resented - & how in God's name can they force underaged children or women who have been forced into sex into having a baby under these circumstances?& They talk of the Taliban's treatment of women

I had erratic periods & my poor gp (only they could test than!) suggested waiting until I was two weeks over missing when I thought might second period would be. Some women have light shows & no symptoms of pregnancy &what if its a very young girl or someone with LD who has been abused?

a Texan woman

Just out of curiosity, how do you legally define a 'Texan woman' and can you no longer be a Texan woman if you change address permanently, for instance?

I had an abortion at Christmas and it was my only option. I believe no women should be pregnant if she doesn't want to be. I also believe no women should have an abortion if she doesn't want one. On both sides of the debate no one actually cares about giving women a proper choice. in my experience pro choice are as bad as pro life just in different ways

@frome45

I had an abortion at Christmas and it was my only option. I believe no women should be pregnant if she doesn't want to be. I also believe no women should have an abortion if she doesn't want one. On both sides of the debate no one actually cares about giving women a proper choice. in my experience pro choice are as bad as pro life just in different ways

"In my experience pro choice are as bad as pro life just in different ways"

Could you please elaborate on that?

Pro life doesn't mean anti-women.

And why should pro-life supporters provide people with birth control and/or support their children?

I don't really understand why this would be the logical next step 🤔

I'm in America (not Texas) and in my town the PL people do a lot for children and women with unplanned pregnancies. I see drives for nappies and formula and baby clothes all the time that can be dropped off at pro- life centers to be given away for free. The churches really encourage people to foster kids, support groups for women etc. I don't know if I just live in a town that's very charitable but I have to say there seems to be a lot of genuine hands on support from the PL.

@Petardos

The theory that it replaces birth control (because feckless, lazy women can't be bothered with birth control) is one of the many ridiculous fallacies anti-abortion people like to trot out.

I am not anti abortion but I can see there is not room for discussion here. However, Yes, there are women that do not use contraception and get pregnant and then want an abortion and pay by the taxpayer. You can’t proof there are none. However, whatever fits with your agenda.

Hilarious!!!!

I'll put myself 'out' there

I have one daughter, pregnancy was ok, being a mother amazing but hard.
I was married for 8 years to her dad he left and cheated before her 1st birthday she was our first.

Talk about a burden on the tax payer, I am now a single working parent on benefits,!used to be homeowner now rental.

After 2 years single I had a few dates with the same guy, called my doctor to get a coil, she said come after your next period. I had protected sex with a condom during that time but he was pressuring me to use the 'pulling out' method. I became pregnant. I'd know him less than a month, I already knew how hard (and rewarding) being a parent could be. I had an abortion.

Do you know what the burden on the tax payer would have been if I had had that child?? Would you be happy to pay maintenance if you had sex and the woman went through with the pregnancy. I had birth control appointment, I should have not put myself at risk before that appointment. I had gotten to know him before I slept with him, I had condoms in my bag (surprise, men don't really like condoms) I didn't want to make a child and raise it/ co-parent with him. I take responsibility but it was the correct decision for me and him, we did discuss it together. Would you plan to have a baby at the start of a new relationship? No. Would you plan to have sex (safe sex preferably) at the start of a new relationship. Yes.

For information I was 27 when my daughter was born and 31 when I had my abortion. Old enough to know better about contraceptive, also old enough and experienced enough to know what having the baby would have been like.

Does anyone think this will tie in with falling birth-rates and health care providers being able to opt out of providing contraception in the US?

It seems like prequel to handmaidens tale to me. Are there many babies for adoption who aren't from removal by state ie drug use. Is it to slowly start increasing birth rates to offset an ageing population

Have women peaked in their mission to have choice and equal opportunities in work and life? Do men and some women want to try to repress and reinstate us as incubators and primary care givers?

I think this is (fake) nostalgia from a time where women stayed home had babies and cooked.

I am very concerned that it will get worse for women not better. We're not there yet, we are not equal but many want us to go backwards for their own ends. Not progress further with our rights

I doubt you actually believe that being opposed to killing a person or fetus is the same thing as being morally obligated to support that person or fetus for their entire life. IMHO, it's disingenuous to pretend those are the same thing.

So who should support that person?

I am horrified that anyone can support forced birthers

If a 16 year old child wanted to adopt a baby, they would be told no. They are too young

Being raped and then forced to have a child is perfectly fine though. Adoption would not take away the trauma of having to carry and birth a child.

Not your body, not your choice.

as early as possible, as late as necessary

@frome45

I had an abortion at Christmas and it was my only option. I believe no women should be pregnant if she doesn't want to be. I also believe no women should have an abortion if she doesn't want one. On both sides of the debate no one actually cares about giving women a proper choice. in my experience pro choice are as bad as pro life just in different ways

Who exactly is making women who don't want them get abortions?

@phishy

So who should support that person?

Their parents, until they're of age. Then they should support themselves, same as everyone else.

A system is being created where poor disenfranchised women become brood mares for the rich and infertile.

Like "The Handmaid's Tale". Only non-fiction.

@AlternativePerspective

My DP is a Christian and his ire is that these people aren’t pro life at all, they’re pro birth, with little thought to what happens to everyone once that birth has occurred.

Interesting isn’t it that Texas has banned abortion but still supports the death penalty.

I agree with your husband it really annoys me when it’s well religious reasons but support the death penalty. It’s bullshit , outdated , ignorant and actually bloody stupid . Support the death penalty and pro life hypocrisy IMO .

@Balonzette

Pro life doesn't mean anti-women.

And why should pro-life supporters provide people with birth control and/or support their children?

I don't really understand why this would be the logical next step 🤔

Yes it does.

You want to deny women choice over their own bodies and force them to give birth.

Actually the best way to reduce the abortion rate would probably be lots of sex education to prevent pregnancy and financial support for those who have unexpected pregnancies. I'm sure a lot of women abort babies they want because their financial situation is not stable enough to raise a child.

Evangelical types usually hate sex ed and welfare though.