Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU to not force my son to go..

43 replies

SmallDragonfly · 30/08/2021 12:37

So this might be a long one so I apologise now.

I split from my ex husband 3 years ago. The end of the marriage was pure hell and walking away from 14 years of marriage was the best decision I made.
He sort of bucked up his ideas after I left and became a good dad to the children over those 3 years and built relationships with then that weren't there before. Late last year he met his new girlfriend. I was so happy for him, its his first relationship since I left so it was nice to see him actually happy. I was, I met someone and we are expecting a baby, I couldn't be happier and I wanted that for him too, although the person he turned into at the end of the marriage was horrendous, we eventually became friends for the kids after the split and co parented so much better than being together.

Things very quickly went down hill, and dispite being a mental health nurse, she mentally damaged my children's mental health to the point all 6 of them were asigned a family councillor by the school which they still see regularly. She physically hurt them, hid her belongings and accused them of stealing, convinced the younger 3 they were autistic and would shut them in their room, sitting in the room against the door so they couldn't get out as she assessed them. Convinced my ex they were all over weight and put them on vegan diets, kept kicking them out, even my 8yo. My 16yo over heard her convincing his dad that 2 of the children were horrible people and he didn't need them or their negativity in his lives. The list of crap they went through is endless.

She finally got her a way and a week before summer holidays on a Saturday afternoon I received an email, the only way my ex will now communicate with me dispite before we would chat via text like friends, saying as of next weekend I will no longer have the children with a whole list of excuses. Obviously I was over the moon, I had my babies at home where they were safe, wanted and loved. But my heart hurt for them.

He has said he will see the children for 6 hours on a Saturday to maintain a relationship with them but other than that, he doesn't want them in his house anymore. They even moved house without telling the children where they were going which upset the older 3 a little.

As you can imagine the children were hurt. Just being dropped like that for someone they didn't like very much, their dad went 3 weeks with no contact before seeing them on the Saturdays so they got confused and hurt over that too as he made no effort to reassure them that he loved them or anything, not one weekend has come and gone where all 6 children have gone. Hes lucky if he gets 2 or 3. When they are with him they just walk around town until its time to come home again.

My youngest who is 8 is adamant he doesn't want to see his dad again. Its been over 6 weeks now and everytime I mention are you going to see daddy this weekend he full on kicks off calling his dad an idiot saying his dad doesn't love him etc.. (there were a couple of nights at his dads near the end where if he was accused of stealing things by her, his dad would shut him in his room for bed early and wouldn't tell him he loved him as a punishment, when I questioned him on this he said to me if he's going to behave like that he doesn't deserve my love) every weekend when the older ones who have seen their dad come back they say dad says A has to stop being naughty and see him next week as he's upsetting dad and hurting his feelings. My ds is obviously hearing this and is still saying no. The ex has now suggested video calling him on Saturday so he can see him and ds point blank refuses to even consider it. I do try to encourage him but he gets so upset and worked up that I end up feeling guilty for pressuring him.

I know the ex and his family are now thinking I am encouring ds to not see him and "turning him against his dad" as the older ones have heard them talking about it, I've promised I'm not and so have the children but it falls on deaf ears. If I'm honest having them all go of for a few hours would give me a little break as I am 25 weeks pregnant and would love to do nothing for a few hours.

Aibu to not make him go dispite knowing how much it will upset him just to keep the ex happy? I do try my hardest to encourage him and tell him how much his dad misses him but he just gets angry ot upset saying daddy doesn't love him, hes an idiot and I hate him so I give up and wait until Saturday is a little closer and try again. His brothers and sisters have also offered to look after him if he goes so daddy can't hurt him (he's a smacker and ds used to flinch if you moved your hands to quickly around him, he no longer does that thankfully) and I've even offered bribes but he is certain he doesn't want to go. What would you do in this situation? Should I force him to go and deal with the consequences after? The hormones aren't helping at all. TIA

OP posts:
Steelesauce · 30/08/2021 12:48

Why would you even allow them to continue to go previously with all that abuse?

Id just stop replying to the idiot and not send any of my kids. Seriously, they don't need that shit. Let him take you court.

VeganCheesePlease · 30/08/2021 12:49

I'm sorry OP, this sounds like a lot to deal with Flowers
One of my closest friends went through a horrendous split split her ex/her DS's dad and like you, she's now happy, married to a lovely man and they have a lovely DS together.
Her older DS doesn't like going to his dads. He's about 11 and her way of looking at it is she sends him every single week to see him until he's old enough to make up his mind- about 17 I think she said. Her logic is he can never look back and say she kept him from his dad, or allow him to have resentment towards her.

MouseInCatsClaws · 30/08/2021 12:52

I would advise all of my kids not to go. I would also be seeking professional help for them to process the after effects of what he's done.
Protect your children.

Thebookswereherfriends · 30/08/2021 12:56

If it’s not court ordered then don’t make him go. I would be blunt and say that ds is scared of you and because of the behaviour of his gf and himself doesn’t feel loved. It’s a shame any of the children need to go after all they’ve been through, the mental anguish must be continuing for them. Poor kids.

ManifestDestinee · 30/08/2021 13:05

Don't let any of them go. Your son is right. he doesn't love them.

SmallDragonfly · 30/08/2021 13:07

They children are 16, 15, 13 12, 10 and 8. None of them are forced to go and make the decision each week themselves if they want to go or not, I don't sway their decision at all. My 15yo and 12yo don't go either as they were the 2 who were called horrible and punished the most by her. The children made it very clear to their dad that if they saw him she was not allowed to be there, hes said he will not stop her from seeing the children and she is apart of his life but she doesn't want to see the children so she doesn't go.

What irritates me the most is that for the 3 years after the split we were doing a good job co parenting. Then she turned me and ds2 and dd1 into some sort of monsters and convinced him of it and hes been so difficult and horrible since, I haven't even met the woman!

OP posts:
SmallDragonfly · 30/08/2021 13:10

@VeganCheesePlease

I'm sorry OP, this sounds like a lot to deal with Flowers One of my closest friends went through a horrendous split split her ex/her DS's dad and like you, she's now happy, married to a lovely man and they have a lovely DS together. Her older DS doesn't like going to his dads. He's about 11 and her way of looking at it is she sends him every single week to see him until he's old enough to make up his mind- about 17 I think she said. Her logic is he can never look back and say she kept him from his dad, or allow him to have resentment towards her.
This is exactly the reason why I haven't fully stopped them from seeing him, I don't want them to look back and say I kept them from him.
OP posts:
HumdrumGuga · 30/08/2021 13:12

Why in the name of fuck are you encouraging any of your kids to see them? This is madness OP.

Steelesauce · 30/08/2021 13:17

I'm sorry but screw your children thinking 'you stopped them'. You PROTECT them first. Then explain to them why and show the evidence. You don't knowingly send them into an abusive situation.

MegaClutterSlut · 30/08/2021 13:25

There is no in hell I'd be sending any off them. They're repeatedly abusive and you still send them? Sorry but I would sacrifice my rest (wtf) and not send them to that hell hole! Seriously....

autummvibes · 30/08/2021 13:25

Why the very fuck would you want any of your children in that home with that abusive piece of shit. I would do everything in my power to ensure there'd be no contact again. I'm stunned.

Rasberrycompote · 30/08/2021 13:30

It's easy to be so caught up in trying not to be the one who "stopped them from seeing their dad", that you miss the greater damage that's being done by knowingly sending them to him so that they actually need counseling to deal with it.
When they're adults, they're likely not going to thank you for helping them maintain a relationship with their father, they're more likely to feel let down about you not protecting them from that emotional turmoil.
Don't send any of them.

MzHz · 30/08/2021 13:31

@Steelesauce

Why would you even allow them to continue to go previously with all that abuse?

Id just stop replying to the idiot and not send any of my kids. Seriously, they don't need that shit. Let him take you court.

Your kids are going to end up so fucked up if you keep sending them to this horrible man and his psycho gf.

Stop all visits, stop all contact

HyacynthBucket · 30/08/2021 13:32

Keep a record of incidents, OP as you might need it for a court hearing.
None of your DC should be seeing an abuser or his abusive partner. Don't make them go just to protect yourself in future. They need protecting from physical and mental harm, and they need a calm home environment. Let him go to court if he wants more access, but have your dossier of all the things your children have put up with, liked the smacking and the cringing away from him, the being locked in to rooms and verbal abuse. Protect them by saying they do not need to go, get them counselling, and some legal advice for yourself.

godmum56 · 30/08/2021 13:32

no I don't think you should force him (or any of the children) to go.

Theunamedcat · 30/08/2021 13:37

I tried sending my son when he was reluctant to go it caused a huge amount of resentment tbh my 8 year old used to repeatedly demand to come home and he would bring him back everytime and slag me off in the meantime for daring to work

So I dont bother making them now his piss poor relationship with his children is his fault

SpaceBethSmith · 30/08/2021 13:42

No, and I wouldn’t be letting him see any of the children. He has been complicit in them being abused in multiple ways by his partner. Why haven’t you reported this to the police?

Anoisagusaris · 30/08/2021 13:44

Your 8 year old sounds like the most mature out of the lot of you!! How could you even consider sending him there where he is subjected to mental and physical abuse???

SmallDragonfly · 30/08/2021 13:45

For fuck sake I don't force any of them to go, the ones that do go choose themselves to go. I've said this multiple times now.

I honestly came on here asking about my 8 year old. Not the rest, when they see him they enjoy their few hours with him. The abuse was at home and with her, they don't live with him now and don't see her.

Again I do not force them

How do I go about deleting this post? I came on here asking for advice not to be attacked. What a fucking joke

OP posts:
Anoisagusaris · 30/08/2021 13:45

You are blaming his new partner but then you say he smacked the kids??

Anoisagusaris · 30/08/2021 13:46

Advice is listen to your child and don’t make them go.

HumdrumGuga · 30/08/2021 13:47

Don't do video calls, don't send your eight year old.

Steelesauce · 30/08/2021 13:51

If social services were aware of the previous abuse and you even considering the children having any form of contact, they would take the children away from you. Just stop the nonsense and cut all ties. Its for the best.

ilovesooty · 30/08/2021 13:52

Since you asked about your 8 year old I will just say I'd listen to him. If he doesn't want to go I'd respect that decision.

Oogachuckachopsy · 30/08/2021 13:52

@SmallDragonfly

For fuck sake I don't force any of them to go, the ones that do go choose themselves to go. I've said this multiple times now.

I honestly came on here asking about my 8 year old. Not the rest, when they see him they enjoy their few hours with him. The abuse was at home and with her, they don't live with him now and don't see her.

Again I do not force them

How do I go about deleting this post? I came on here asking for advice not to be attacked. What a fucking joke

I think people are trying to help you based on what you’ve said. There’s a lot of children involved and it’s a complicated situation. Confused
Swipe left for the next trending thread